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Butch Jones coaching players last night (Bama)?
Posted by litenin on 1/8/19 at 9:06 am140
One of my friends just mentioned that there were multiple clips during the game last night of Butch Jones on the sidelines coaching players for Bama. I'm not completely sure if analysts are allowed on the sidelines but they are definitely not allowed to directly coach players.
I just googled to see if there were any discussions online about it but only found a few articles from earlier this year with Saban explaining that Butch Jones would have no involvement with directly coaching players.
Can anyone clarify how this is enforced and whether it's a big deal or just a minor thing?
I just googled to see if there were any discussions online about it but only found a few articles from earlier this year with Saban explaining that Butch Jones would have no involvement with directly coaching players.
Can anyone clarify how this is enforced and whether it's a big deal or just a minor thing?
This post was edited on 1/8 at 9:07 am
re: Butch Jones coaching players last night (Bama)?Posted by DowntheBayouTiger on 1/8/19 at 9:08 am to litenin
Probably why they lost if shite Butch is coaching.
re: Butch Jones coaching players last night (Bama)?Posted by ProjectP2294 on 1/8/19 at 9:11 am to litenin
I thought it was pretty funny how big a deal this was in the first half and then they didn't show him on TV in the second half at all. Either Bama took him off the sideline at half time or the TV people were told not to show him.
Either way, it was a blatant disregard for the rules that he was coaching players on the sidelines.
Either way, it was a blatant disregard for the rules that he was coaching players on the sidelines.
re: Butch Jones coaching players last night (Bama)?Posted by David Ricky on 1/8/19 at 9:12 am to litenin
An analyst coaching players was part of the USC penalties by the NCAA. I'm sure those fairminded, wonderful people in Indy will be right on it.
Also explains a lot about last night...
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Butch Jones coaching players
Also explains a lot about last night...
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One of my friends just mentioned that there were multiple clips during the game last night of Butch Jones on the sidelines coaching players for Bama last night. I'm not completely sure if analysts are allowed on the sidelines but they are definitely not allowed to directly coach players.
I just googled to see if there were any discussions online about it but only found a few articles from earlier this year with Saban explaining that Butch Jones would have no involvement with directly coaching players.
Can anyone clarify how this is enforced and whether it's a big deal or just a minor thing?
I noticed Jones on the sideline as well and thought the exact same thing (then again, that might be why Bama looked like Jones' UT teams last night)
From a NYT 2017 article:
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These staff members do not count against N.C.A.A. bylaws restricting Football Bowl Subdivision teams to nine assistant coaches, a figure that will rise by one next year. And they must abide by rules barring them from activities only coaches may perform, including coaching athletes, actively coaching during games or practices, and recruiting off campus. But for the programs that can afford them, they provide an invaluable service.
“They’re involved in the organization,” Saban said in January. “That’s where they make their contribution, in the coaching meetings. They’re not really allowed to be involved with the team.”
"Analyst" is really a gray area and credit Saban for exploiting it. The only hard rule I'm aware of is that you can only have 20 coaches/GA's with headseats on the sidelines/pressbox. Butch didn't have one.
Butch seemingly wasn't calling plays or making personnel decisions (thought it seemed like that could have been the case last night). But him very prominently on the sideline seems to expose the BS of an analyst's "limited involvement".
re: Butch Jones coaching players last night (Bama)?Posted by Alt26 on 1/8/19 at 9:20 am to ProjectP2294
To be fair though, Steve Kragthorpe isn't an official assistant on the LSU staff. Yet, he's generally right there behind O every game. In fact, he generally has to absorb the brunt of O's caveman rants when he doesn't quite know who to yell at or why he should be angry.
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To be fair though, Steve Kragthorpe isn't an official assistant on the LSU staff. Yet, he's generally right there behind O every game. In fact, he generally has to absorb the brunt of O's caveman rants when he doesn't quite know who to yell at or why he should be angry.
He can assist the coaches, he's just not (in theory) supposed to be coaching players.
You could tell in one clip that Butch was sort of covering/talking out the side of his mouth to the player as if he was trying to hide it
ETA: this clip LINK
This post was edited on 1/8 at 9:24 am
This is the same as bama giving out 1,000 scholarships in the 70’s. The NCAA needs to limit the amount of analyst/shadow staff a team can have. No coincidence that bama and Clemson have the largest staffs. I think it’s something like three coaches for every one player. Crazy!
re: Butch Jones coaching players last night (Bama)?Posted by lsupride87 on 1/8/19 at 9:43 am to Pianoman
It will be somewhat interesting to see what the NCAA does
re: Butch Jones coaching players last night (Bama)?Posted by wildtigercat93 on 1/8/19 at 9:44 am to lsupride87
It looks like the Bama player is like “bitch you ain’t supposed to be talking to me”
re: Butch Jones coaching players last night (Bama)?Posted by OldManRiver on 1/8/19 at 9:45 am to litenin
This came up on a thread last night, and a Bama poster said that Butch is actually a Graduate Assistant, not an analyst, and thus is allowed to be on the sidelines. That's probably true, which means the rules behind "Graduate Assistant" need to be looked at by the NCAA. A role meant for a 22 year old breaking into coaching shouldn't be used by a 50+ former SEC head coach for any team.
He's been on their sideline in every game that I've seen this year.
This is a good article from last year about this growing situation and some of the other coaches opinions on the growing unofficial staffs. CBS Sports article
This is a good article from last year about this growing situation and some of the other coaches opinions on the growing unofficial staffs. CBS Sports article
re: Butch Jones coaching players last night (Bama)?Posted by wildtigercat93 on 1/8/19 at 9:49 am to OldManRiver
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This came up on a thread last night, and a Bama poster said that Butch is actually a Graduate Assistant, not an analyst, and thus is allowed to be on the sidelines. That's probably true, which means the rules behind "Graduate Assistant" need to be looked at by the NCAA. A role meant for a 22 year old breaking into coaching shouldn't be used by a 50+ former SEC head coach for any team.
Don’t you have to be enrolled in graduate school to be a grad assistant?
So in that scenario butch jones is chillin in the business building taking post grad classes
re: Butch Jones coaching players last night (Bama)?Posted by HollierThanThou on 1/8/19 at 9:50 am to lsupride87
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It will be somewhat interesting to see what the NCAA does
We all know it won't
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