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re: Brian Flores is suing NFL, NY Giants
Posted on 2/2/22 at 12:11 pm to SammyTiger
Posted on 2/2/22 at 12:11 pm to SammyTiger
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DUI was 21 years ago.
Other arrests were 27-33 years ago.
Would you disagree that 4 arrests should be considered when discussing an applicant's potential employment? What is the arbitrary threshold for time between arrests for them to no longer be considered? In a league that is progressive not just in terms of minorities, but also gender, are you saying that hiring an individual, as the face of your franchise, who has been arrested for choking a female shouldn't be something to consider so long as it was 20+ years ago? If you do believe in second chances, or in this case a 5th chance, why do you also disagree with teams hiring coaches who were unsuccessful with a previous team?
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Posted on 2/2/22 at 12:43 pm to BenDover
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Would you disagree that 4 arrests should be considered when discussing an applicant's potential employment?
Sure. Never went to jail. One arrest was driving for a suspended license. Did some community service. Hasn’t been in trouble in decades.
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What is the arbitrary threshold for time between arrests for them to no longer be considered?
You don’t think 2 decades shows he can stay out of trouble?
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In a league that is progressive not just in terms of minorities, but also gender, are you saying that hiring an individual, as the face of your franchise, who has been arrested for choking a female shouldn't be something to consider so long as it was 20+ years ago?
20 years is a long time to never be convicted Of something.
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If you do believe in second chances, or in this case a 5th chance, why do you also disagree with teams hiring coaches who were unsuccessful with a previous team?
This is a Competence vs character question. And I do Think coaches who had bad first runs should get second chances. Especially if they were very young and spend decades doing well otherwise.
Now tell my why Leftwhich isn’t already a HC somewhere?
This post was edited on 2/2/22 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 2/2/22 at 1:00 pm to SammyTiger
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Sure. Never went to jail. One arrest was driving for a suspended license. Did some community service. Hasn’t been in trouble in decades.
You left off the part about the numerous violations that led up to that, including having been arrested for a DUI. Sort of contradicts the narrative that he learns from past mistakes.
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You don’t think 2 decades shows he can stay out of trouble?
I think that a decade of constantly being in trouble is more emphatic than 2 decades of staying out of it. Staying out of trouble is a standard and expectation, not a "hey, great job of staying out of trouble".
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20 years is a long time to never be convicted Of something.
As is 15 years of arrests.
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This is a Competence vs character question. And I do Think coaches who had bad first runs should get second chances. Especially if they were very young and spend decades doing well otherwise.
He was 25 when he was arrested for choking a female, 30 when he was arrested for a bar fight, and 32 when he was arrested for a DUI. He wasn't an 18 year old kid making bad decisions, he was a grown adult.
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Now tell my why Leftwhich isn’t already a HC somewhere?
I have no idea. My first, second, and third post have all specifically been about Eric Bieniemy.
This post was edited on 2/2/22 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 2/2/22 at 1:04 pm to BenDover
Do you think an NFL team should worry about Bienemy being arrested?
Yes or no?
He’s a OC in the NFL does arrests not count for that position?
Yes or no?
He’s a OC in the NFL does arrests not count for that position?
This post was edited on 2/2/22 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 2/2/22 at 1:11 pm to hsfolk
I’ve read all of this and seen the interviews. What part is racism? The Giants had a guy in mind and hired him with a handshake deal until they finished their required interviews. This happens in corporate America all the time. My wife’s company requires 3 applicants to be interviewed for a position. Many times they know who it is but have to go through the process.
Posted on 2/2/22 at 1:17 pm to BenDover
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Would you disagree that 4 arrests should be considered when discussing an applicant's potential employment? What is the arbitrary threshold for time between arrests for them to no longer be considered? In a league that is progressive not just in terms of minorities, but also gender, are you saying that hiring an individual, as the face of your franchise, who has been arrested for choking a female shouldn't be something to consider so long as it was 20+ years ago? If you do believe in second chances, or in this case a 5th chance, why do you also disagree with teams hiring coaches who were unsuccessful with a previous team?
By this logic he shouldnt be allowed to coach in the NFL at all then.
Posted on 2/2/22 at 1:30 pm to QJenk
Correct me if I’m wrong. This is all based off of a text that Belichick allegedly sent saying Flores had the job before he even interviewed? But Daboll had already? And Louis Riddick is throwing a hissy fit because a Bienemy? Do they not understand he has multiple assault charges in FTA charges and his past?
This post was edited on 2/2/22 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 2/2/22 at 1:31 pm to QJenk
Posted on 2/2/22 at 1:44 pm to SammyTiger
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Do you think an NFL team should worry about Bienemy being arrested?
Yes or no?
He’s a OC in the NFL does arrests not count for that position?
Yes, I think you'd be remiss not to factor that in and honestly I wouldn't have hired him in any capacity. The Chiefs have proven that off-the-field issues do not concern them (see: Tyreek Hill and Frank Clark). That doesn't mean that other franchises can't or shouldn't take Bieniemy's background into account.
Posted on 2/2/22 at 1:46 pm to QJenk
Nobody wants a coach to tank for three straight seasons, Hue. Dude trying to make himself look better.
Posted on 2/2/22 at 1:46 pm to QJenk
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By this logic he shouldnt be allowed to coach in the NFL at all then.
I agree.
Posted on 2/2/22 at 2:49 pm to Bham Bammer
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As far as Bienemy, why would he be a good hire?
Coordinators for winning teams get head coaching jobs all the time. I'm not saying Bienemy would be a good hire. I'm just saying that his resume fits the record of the people hired for NFL jobs all the time.
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His name gets thrown out but as far as I can tell he seems to be getting credit for a strong offense that Andy Reid is primarily responsible for.
Belicheck is a defensive guy and I'm pretty sure 5 of his former defensive coordinators have gotten head coaching jobs.
Posted on 2/2/22 at 3:31 pm to hsfolk
I have a question that I haven't seen brought up (didn't read thru the entire thread):
Even if it can be proven that the interview was a formality and they had already hired Dabol. That just means that they violated the Rooney rule. Where does a lawsuit come into play? The NFL created the rule. It isn't against the law. Am I missing something?
Even if it can be proven that the interview was a formality and they had already hired Dabol. That just means that they violated the Rooney rule. Where does a lawsuit come into play? The NFL created the rule. It isn't against the law. Am I missing something?
Posted on 2/2/22 at 5:08 pm to StrongOffer
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That just means that they violated the Rooney rule. Where does a lawsuit come into play? The NFL created the rule. It isn't against the law. Am I missing something?
Civil lawsuits don’t have to be about a violation the law.
This post was edited on 2/2/22 at 5:09 pm
Posted on 2/3/22 at 9:51 am to StupidBinder
Wait Brian Flores isn't African-American. Did not know that.
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A first-generation American born to Honduran parents in Brooklyn’s Brownsville neighborhood, Flores rose quickly through the NFL’s ranks, becoming an assistant coach under the legendary New England Patriots head coach Bill Belichick at the prodigiously young age of 28.
In 2019, he was named the head coach of the Miami Dolphins, becoming only the fourth Latino head coach in NFL history
Posted on 2/4/22 at 6:43 am to hsfolk
Just sick and tired of this garbage
This post was edited on 2/4/22 at 6:45 am
Posted on 2/4/22 at 6:58 am to StrongOffer
Should purposely tanking games be a punishable offense? To completely jeopardize the integrity of a professional sport? That seems worse than "bounty gate" especially considering games are officiated on the field and reviewed off the field. The Saints didn't have any excessive type of penalties that season. So my point is I would like to see this investigated and if true, perhaps punished? Again though, I don't see how you could ever prove it. So screw it. I am just bitter about the Saints punishment.
I don't understand why people are taking everything Flores is alleging as truth. The Broncos came out and said they had 5? reps during his interview? And that it took several hours which means it was thorough. The Broncos also just had a black HC. So I don't see how he could feel that they were dismissing him, because he was black.
The Giants issue seems more about a problem with the NFL and its Rooney Rule. I have seen people who support Flores 100% also state the Rooney Rule needs to go. So I think everybody is on board with removing the Rooney Rule.
I don't understand why people are taking everything Flores is alleging as truth. The Broncos came out and said they had 5? reps during his interview? And that it took several hours which means it was thorough. The Broncos also just had a black HC. So I don't see how he could feel that they were dismissing him, because he was black.
The Giants issue seems more about a problem with the NFL and its Rooney Rule. I have seen people who support Flores 100% also state the Rooney Rule needs to go. So I think everybody is on board with removing the Rooney Rule.
Posted on 2/4/22 at 1:02 pm to beauchristopher
Houston Chronicle reporter on the local news this morning said Flores could now be a leading candidate for the Texans job. Because he has more coaching experience than McCown.
This concludes your daily status update on the Texans being the Texans.
This concludes your daily status update on the Texans being the Texans.
Posted on 2/4/22 at 1:05 pm to PowerTool
Did DeShaun Watson ask they hire him?
Posted on 2/4/22 at 6:42 pm to teke184
Check this out from Brian Flores' interview with NPR and Jay Williams. This is a quote from Flores.
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On problems in NFL hiring practices
"I do think that there are back channel conversations and back channel meetings that are had that oftentimes influence decisions. I think [the Giants hiring process] is a clear example of that. Here's Bill Belichick, his resume speaks for itself. He has influence. It was clear that that decision was made with his influence. That's part of the problem. That needs to change. There needs to be a fair and equal opportunity to interview and showcase your abilities to lead and earn one of those positions."
Hold up partner. Belichick is the only NFL head coach Flores ever worked for and Flores was his secondary and linebackers coach. Flores was never a coordinator. And, I think it's fair to say Belichick's influence helped or got Flores the job in Miami. But, now Belichick is part of the problem? Flores is a damn fool.
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On problems in NFL hiring practices
"I do think that there are back channel conversations and back channel meetings that are had that oftentimes influence decisions. I think [the Giants hiring process] is a clear example of that. Here's Bill Belichick, his resume speaks for itself. He has influence. It was clear that that decision was made with his influence. That's part of the problem. That needs to change. There needs to be a fair and equal opportunity to interview and showcase your abilities to lead and earn one of those positions."
Hold up partner. Belichick is the only NFL head coach Flores ever worked for and Flores was his secondary and linebackers coach. Flores was never a coordinator. And, I think it's fair to say Belichick's influence helped or got Flores the job in Miami. But, now Belichick is part of the problem? Flores is a damn fool.
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