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re: Brian Flores is suing NFL, NY Giants
Posted on 2/1/22 at 7:12 pm to Ghost of Colby
Posted on 2/1/22 at 7:12 pm to Ghost of Colby
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I read the actual texts and that’s not what happened. Bill got a text informing him that Brian Daboll was getting the Giants job.
Bill misread, and thought Brian Flores was the choice, so he congratulated Flores.
Then he went back to the original text and realized it was Daboll.
Belichick didn’t accidentally text Flores.
Even if it was as implied it's still not a bombshell. Funny, yes.
Imagine complaining about the very thing the Rooney Rule was designed to do - make sure minority coaches get interviews even when teams are settled on who they want.
Posted on 2/1/22 at 7:55 pm to Packer
All of the allegations in that excerpt could be true and it wouldn’t be a firing sue to race. It would be firing because he had ethics. Unfortunately, that’s not against the law. He may have other, better, allegations against the Dolphins.
Posted on 2/1/22 at 8:40 pm to Macavity92
Yeah, right now this suit seems flimsy to me. But maybe a lot more comes out. It's highly likely the NFL will just pay him off to go away.
Posted on 2/1/22 at 8:54 pm to RLDSC FAN
The beauty of this whole thing is the NFL opened the door this whole issue by creating those bullshite diversity director offices and color of your skin goals for positions. Now it’s being used as a legal standard against them. I hope Flores takes them to the woodshed. I assume they chose NY as a favorable venue since they sued under a “human rights” law. Hilarious.
Posted on 2/1/22 at 8:56 pm to 1999
You mean to tell me a rule they set up requiring teams to give out token bullshite interviews caused teams to give out token bullshite interviews?
MUH shocked face
MUH shocked face
Posted on 2/1/22 at 9:03 pm to Wishnitwas1998
Lol the irony here that he's suing over racism, when the rule is racist
Posted on 2/1/22 at 9:24 pm to Redbonebandit
Very curious on how the Flores hire at Miami went down. Pretty sure he was the first interview, with Bieniemy being the 2nd. By all appearances, they then fake interviewed other candidates just waiting for Flores season to end. And ultimately hired him the day after the Patriots won the Super Bowl.
I wonder if Miami told him he had the job after his interview, before they interviewed Bieniemy or any of the white candidates they interviewed after him. Because it seems like both teams had their man after one interview.
I wonder if Miami told him he had the job after his interview, before they interviewed Bieniemy or any of the white candidates they interviewed after him. Because it seems like both teams had their man after one interview.
Posted on 2/1/22 at 9:37 pm to hashtag
This has dismissal for failure to state a claim written all over it - the factual allegations do not allege racism was the reason he has not been hired and/or was fired by Dolphins. The complaint, generally, was also shite.
Posted on 2/1/22 at 9:42 pm to RLDSC FAN
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But maybe a lot more comes out. It's highly likely the NFL will just pay him off to go away.
There has to be more Flores was in line for another job. There is no way he just tossed his career away on a whim.
Posted on 2/1/22 at 9:45 pm to hsfolk
Mike Tomlin could literally murder one of his players and not get fired right about now.
Posted on 2/1/22 at 10:05 pm to mr bojangles
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This has dismissal for failure to state a claim written all over it - the factual allegations do not allege racism was the reason he has not been hired and/or was fired by Dolphins. The complaint, generally, was also shite.
I think you may be on to something. But the wildcard is whether the NY Human rights law permits a “Black Head Coach” to state a cause of action for being “humiliated” having to do a job interview for a job that was already filled.
This post was edited on 2/1/22 at 10:06 pm
Posted on 2/1/22 at 10:32 pm to hsfolk
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He noted that Flores reached out to the firm on the same day he received the Belichick text message.
He still went to in person interview after he had already contacted a law firm to start a lawsuit which would include not getting the job he was about to interview for with new GM (had done a zoom call before guy from Buffalo hired as GM).
Did he interview in good faith at that point or was he trying to not impress enough to still get job and/or change anyone’s mind to push lawsuit? Did he have the balls to bring it up in interview?
I am sure people have favorites before interviews are finished as well as candidates hearing info from 3rd parties that someone else is favorite. Once they hired Buffalo’s assistant GM as their GM it would be easy to think Buffalo’s offensive coordinator had an inside track. Even Flores seemed to suspect Bill texted the wrong Brian after GM hire.
If agreement made before in person interview with Flores and if Flores was only black interview it’s more of a problem for NY not following NFL’s policy than racism. The Denver part seems weak, and Miami wanting to lose in 2019 for draft purposes or attempt to recruit before free agency period isn’t new or specific to black coaches.
Sorry Brian hiring offensive coordinator from a hot offense into playoffs is pretty common especially from a team with a defensive minded head coach. Throw in new GM hired from same team as offensive coordinator, and it’s a joke they are forced to interview anyone else regardless of race. Hiring a non-defensive coordinator from a team with a defensive minded head coach is not so common, and you didn’t complain 3 years ago when you got that special treatment and a head coaching job for 3 years out of it.
Posted on 2/1/22 at 10:48 pm to wildtigercat93
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But if you believe you aren’t being actually being given that chance then what are you losing?
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because in his view he’s not getting an actual opportunity to do so.
I am living in some sort of alternate reality world right now? Are we taking about the same guy who got an NFL HC job for a few seasons?
Posted on 2/2/22 at 7:58 am to TackySweater
Doesn't matter. Flores and his lawyer were just on the CBS morning show and guess which side the media is going to take?
Get ready to bend over NFL.
Get ready to bend over NFL.
Posted on 2/2/22 at 8:00 am to dallastigers
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He noted that Flores reached out to the firm on the same day he received the Belichick text message.
He still went to in person interview after he had already contacted a law firm to start a lawsuit which would include not getting the job he was about to interview for with new GM (had done a zoom call before guy from Buffalo hired as GM).
I would imagine that he was in contact with a lawyer as soon as Stephen Ross started acting like an a-hole when Flores wouldn’t break the tampering rules regarding the unnamed QB.
Him getting fired from the dolphins when he did had people in south Florida scratching their heads. Now it kind of makes sense.
Posted on 2/2/22 at 8:02 am to SoDakHawk
That interview was bad they really don’t have shite. Someone convinced him that Ross being a POS meant that he was racist. If they don’t have more than statistics and the Daboll being hired this will be dismissed in a hurry.
Dude got some terrible advice.
Dude got some terrible advice.
Posted on 2/2/22 at 8:34 am to TackySweater
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I am living in some sort of alternate reality world right now? Are we taking about the same guy who got an NFL HC job for a few seasons?
In all fairness, him getting fired was a bit of a head scratcher. Go back and read the threads here when he was dumped. Miami has finished above .500 only 4 times in the last 16 years and Flores was two of those. Yeah, he got off to shite start this year, but Miami is a dumpster fire he's done better there any other coach since Ross took over ownership.
Tony Sparano - one good year then three losing seasons before being fired
Joe Philbin - fired after four seasons, never getting above .500
Adam Gase - winning record in year one, then two years with a losing record before getting fired.
Brian Flores - losing record in year one, then two years above .500 and gets fired.
The Giants situation aside, Flores did a decent job in Miami. We are talking about an organization that hasn't won a playoff game since the Clinton administration.
Posted on 2/2/22 at 8:52 am to notbilly
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In all fairness, him getting fired was a bit of a head scratcher.
I agree. But the fact that he is now suing the league and specific teams that did not hire him may give a bit on insight as to why he was fired when objectively there seemed to be no basis to do so. There were discussions that he and management did not see eye to eye. Flores could have been ABSOLUTELY RIGHT in his approach as to how the organization should operate...but he doesn't own the team. So if the owner of the team has a different viewpoint you either have to accept it or move on. No different than any other employee. Suing the league seems to suggest he was willing to be obstinate towards management. NO owner in the league is going to want to hire a coach who is going to defy the owner. That is just common sense.
But ultimately, the who racism narrative is complete BS created by race-profiteers and the pathetic media. The NFL is a completely results based game. Teams would hire a Chinese woman if it would guarantee them multiple Super Bowls. And basically what you have is a complete double standard.
Case in point:
Every year for the last 5 years or so we have to listen to pissing and moaning when Eric Bieniemy doesn't get a HC job. Outrage because he is the "OC" for a team that has had one of the best offenses in the league for multiple years. But where is the outrage that Pete Carmichael for the Saints hasn't gotten a HC job? He's been the Saints OC for 13 years!!! Many of those year the Saints had one of if not the best offenses in the NFL. So why hasn't Pete gotten a job?
Perhaps it is the same reason Bieniemy hasn't. Because even though both have the "OC" title, the HC has always been the primary play caller. It has nothing to do with race and everything to do with concern that the guy you are considering hiring may not be the actual engine that powers the ship.
Posted on 2/2/22 at 9:14 am to dallastigers
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If agreement made before in person interview with Flores and if Flores was only black interview it’s more of a problem for NY not following NFL’s policy than racism.
Flores was the 3rd black coach interviewed. I think it was legitimate. The player personnel director who was pumping Flores up was legacy and not connected to the new GM, and the new GM went with someone he worked with last few years. It all makes sense.
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