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Hamma1122
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re: Bama having a chance to win a title with this resume = the whole system is broken
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Open Your Eyes
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re: Bama having a chance to win a title with this resume = the whole system is broken
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Actually you not being a bama fan doesn't make it any better here.


Yet you thought it was important enough to bring up when you assumed I was.

melt day 2 and you're still all over the fricking place.

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Someone that claims to be rational and objective would not hold the homer views that you do.


1. What homer views do I hold?

2. For which team are these homer views I hold?

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Nothing and that's why I said it's statically impossible in addition to being mathematically impossible.


So we can add mathematically, statistically, and impossible to the growing list of words you don't know the meaning of.

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Each division is like it's own mini league and whoever the best of those four teams is deserves a playoff spot and home game.


And completely disregards the fact that not all divisions are of equal caliber, or the 2nd, 3rd, and even 4th teams in division x can be better than the 1st place team in division y.

So you should definitely be in favor of all the fbs conference champions being in a playoff. And no at large teams being included.

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It's infallible because it's based on math and not flawed human reasoning with a touch of politicking in it like the CFP.


It's not infallible because it is capable of rewarding team a that is mathematically worse than team b based on the arbitrary divisions teams a and b are placed in.

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That's not what you said.


That is exactly what I said. You extrapolated something completely different and incorrect, I can't do anything about your piss poor reading comprehension due to your melt.

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Oh and a league that is designed to not have built in advantages/disadvatages is what makes the NFL a good product that's insanely profitable. It's fair and each team has to make their own fortune or rather misfortune.


Show me where I argued otherwise.

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That's kind of different from getting handout mulligans.


It's possible for a team to lose the majority of its games in an NFL season and still win the super bowl. If that's not a mulligan then there is no such thing

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Then by all means share those possibilities with 32 billionaires. They'll accept it if it improves quality of play and makes more money.


You've said multiple times now that the NFL system has not and will not change. In fact it's set in stone. The first part is factually incorrect. The second part is highly unlikely, and you just admitted that. Does your melt prevent you from understanding you're proving yourself wrong?

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Not what I said.


Yes it is.

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That's what I said.


I know. Multiple times. It proves you're a moron.

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Yep. That's what I said.


I know. Multiple times. It proves you're a moron.

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Do you?


Yes, yes I do. Watch:

Your melt is ridiculous.

Your takes are ridiculous.

You are ridiculous.

See how easy that was?

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Sure, that can happen as well


So after stating 1. The NFL playoff format is set in stone and will not change and 2. The owners are already making the maximum amount of money possible from the current playoff format.

You've now admitted both of those are incorrect. Isn't this fun? Your melt is fun.

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and they would just keep on using the same playoff format they use right now.


I shouldn't be surprised that you think adding teams to a playoff would somehow result in the same playoff format. I really shouldn't.

But somehow I am.

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And that's precisely my point as to why the CFP system sucks and is not built to withstand the test of time.


The fact that you don't understand something is precisely your point? Again, I really shouldn't be surprised.

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Any playoff system that's not based in math and is completely dependent on subjective reasoning with a hit of politicking is not a credible playoff system.




Says who? Sentrius the 2 day meltee? I'll be sure to notify Ohio st, Alabama, and Clemson that their national championship trophies aren't real. Actually every national champion in the history of NCAA 1a football.

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already told you that Bama could win the CFP games by 70 points for all I care. It doesn't make their body of work for admission into the CFP any better.


And I already told you the committee is tasked with choosing the4 best teams in the playoff. They chose Alabama as one of those teams. Last night proved them to be correct.

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I don't care.


I know. Because you are ridiculous.

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Retroactive results being added to the resume is not what I'm arguing. Why do you keep fricking this up?


Because you're conveniently a fan of retroactive results when they benefit one of your ridiculous takes. So, being the logical person I am, I'm just making sure you are consistent in your arguments.

And you can continue trying to ignore the fact that you are only melting because of the team the system chose, not the system itself. I'll keep bringing it up, don't worry.

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Dude, the wild card format was first introduced in 1978 and has been a constant in the 40 years since. The number of teams may expand and the seeding of the format may be tweaked to accommodate the expansion but the principles still stay the same as it's a system based in math.




Wait, you've told us numerous times the NFL playoff system has not changed since it's inception. Now you're admitting it has. Again, I really shouldn't be surprised. The ridiculousness of you and your melt knows no bounds.


Open Your Eyes
Member since Nov 2012
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re: Bama having a chance to win a title with this resume = the whole system is broken
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So your argument against the NFL system is based on something that has never happened and has a one in a quadrillion chance of happening? Dude, at least I'm arguing against events in College Football that has actually happened. Lame.


Again, youve stated multiple times that it is statistically and mathematically impossible for a 5-11 team to be in the playoffs. Not only is that not true, but it is mathematically and statistically possible for a winless team to be in the NFL playoffs.

Don't get mad at me because you and your melt don't know what the words mathematically, statistically, or impossible mean.


umop_apisdn
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re: Bama having a chance to win a title with this resume = the whole system is broken
8 team playoffs or bust.

Conference winners plus highest ranked teams.



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Sentrius
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re: Bama having a chance to win a title with this resume = the whole system is broken
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Yet you thought it was important enough to bring up when you assumed I was.

melt day 2 and you're still all over the fricking place.


I'm not the one arguing like a Bama homer despite claiming that he's not a Bama fan, You are and that makes this even worse.

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And completely disregards the fact that not all divisions are of equal caliber, or the 2nd, 3rd, and even 4th teams in division x can be better than the 1st place team in division y.



Again, this doesn't matter in a league in your own words that's designed to afford no advantage and disadvantage.

That's what makes their playoff format pretty damn good.

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So you should definitely be in favor of all the fbs conference champions being in a playoff. And no at large teams being included.


Sure I could be in favor of the sentiment of that but why would I do that when the NFL's wild card format addresses your complaint of teams with better records being left out?

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You extrapolated something completely different and incorrect


Nope.

You said something and I read it as you wrote it.

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Show me where I argued otherwise.


This entire thread.

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It's possible for a team to lose the majority of its games in an NFL season and still win the super bowl. If that's not a mulligan then there is no such thing


Thing is, that mulligan is entirely possible because what made it so is through a set format based in math that says this team should be in the playoff, not subjective eyeball tests.

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You've said multiple times now that the NFL system has not and will not change.


I did say that.

Sure, they may have tweaked the format's seeding to accommodate expansion teams but the overall system has stayed the same since the 70s and that's why it will never change short of a massive loss of profit that prompts it.

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I'll be sure to notify Ohio st, Alabama, and Clemson that their national championship trophies aren't real. Actually every national champion in the history of NCAA 1a football.


Did I say that I was speaking for anyone else or any organization?

frick no. I'm just some dude with an opinion that apparently is getting a lot of wide support.

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And I already told you the committee is tasked with choosing the4 best teams in the playoff. They chose Alabama as one of those teams. Last night proved them to be correct.



Again, I don't care. They used bull shite reasoning that I fundamentally disagree with and Bama can win the CFP games by 70 points for all I care and it doesn't change the point that they should've never been accepted.

How many times do I have to repeat this?

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. So, being the logical person I am




I'm arguing in favor of playoff systems based on math, you're arguing in favor of playoff systems based on subjective eyeball tests with flawed reasoning.

Who's being logical here?

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Wait, you've told us numerous times the NFL playoff system has not changed since it's inception.


Dude, i said that the current playoff system has stayed largely the same since the 70s with tweaks to the seeding of the format to accommodate more teams being added.

You shouldn't be talking shite about reading comprehension if you keep ignoring this.


Sentrius
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re: Bama having a chance to win a title with this resume = the whole system is broken
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Again, youve stated multiple times that it is statistically and mathematically impossible for a 5-11 team to be in the playoffs. Not only is that not true, but it is mathematically and statistically possible for a winless team to be in the NFL playoffs.


Dude look at you, you're still arguing about events that was either a statistical anomaly or future anomalies that has a one in a quadrillion chance of happening.

Meanwhile, I'm arguing against a real trend in college football playoffs that has already happened twice now, well three times if we want to count your bitching melt about Ohio State to make things even more fair. Or even four times now if we want to count LSU backdooring in as well back in 2007.

What's more likely to change first in the future? The NFL playoff format or the CFP format?





Yeah, that's what I thought.
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TxTiger82
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re: Bama having a chance to win a title with this resume = the whole system is broken
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There's no justifying it, IMO


Bama definitely got rewarded for past performance. That said, they are taking advantage of the opportunity. They are a scary team when healthy.



ForkEmDemons
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re: Bama having a chance to win a title with this resume = the whole system is broken
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What's more likely to change first in the future? The NFL playoff format or the CFP format?


College football. Judging by the response to this years game the TV rating will tank compared to the last few years. As in 2011, money talks and change will eventually come, albeit slowly.

Either way, no denying it is a broken system and they need to establish a set criteria for making the playoffs instead of rewriting their rules every year to make sure certain teams make the final 4.
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SquirrelyBama
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re: Bama having a chance to win a title with this resume = the whole system is broken
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Bama definitely got rewarded for past performance. That said, they are taking advantage of the opportunity. They are a scary team when healthy.


Yep, Bama has earned that, and then some with their play the last 7+ years. When we consider that with the eye test, and Bama never being out of top 4 until after last game because a tough road loss within one of toughest stadiums in CFB. You get Bama getting the benefit of doubt that they've earned lately, especially after any team within top 4 lost. You just don't all the sudden think Bama isn't a top 4 team, when you've had them all year long, that isn't logical within a logical world.



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kciDAtaE
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re: Bama having a chance to win a title with this resume = the whole system is broken
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It's why the NFL playoff format is much superior as it doesn't give a flying frick about style points and only cares about the right number of W's and L's.


NFL also rewards the hottest team with a championship, not the best. Not saying that’s a bad thing


dpd901
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re: Bama having a chance to win a title with this resume = the whole system is broken
Not going through all 10 pages of this, but for whatever flaws the current college system has, it has properly identified the best team in the country each of the years we’ve had this format.

I hate Alabama “back-dooring” their way in, because I hate Alabama. That said, Alabama, regardless of not playing for the SEC Championship, is one of the 4 best teams in the country. It pains me to admit it, but they clearly demonstrated that fact on Monday.

Next Monday, they’ll get to play the SEC Champs, so they’ll answer every question that needs to be answered, one way or another.

The only other team that deserved consideration lost 2 games and got throttled by a mediocre team. Based on the eye test, Bama> OSU. There’s no one else that deserves to be in conversation, so therefore, Bama deserved to be in. Period


TbirdSpur2010
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Accurate assessment.


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DisplacedBuckeye
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StormyMcMan
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re: Bama having a chance to win a title with this resume = the whole system is broken
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Come back tomorrow and post links to all the newspaper headlines saying Alabama shouldn't be in the playoffs this year.


LINK

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Bama proved the selection committee right, at least if the goal was to say, could this team win it all? But the committee’s charge — to get the “best” teams — is wrong.

Ohio State should not have made the Playoff last season, when it didn’t win the Big Ten East. Penn State, the Big Ten champion, should have been in the field instead. And as good as Alabama is, the Tide shouldn’t have been in this year.



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The easy argument is: Play better. But those bowl records, while overcooked in terms of analysis, also suggest that perhaps those teams from other regions are, in fact, playing better football than perhaps they’re sometimes credited with, while other leagues aren’t exactly the slaughterhouses we’re conditioned to expect (see Big Ten: 7-1; SEC: 4-5).

It’s also worth noting that the Big Ten, Big 12 and Pac-12 — which have all been left out of the Playoff in the first four seasons — play nine-game conference schedules. The ACC and SEC, you might remember, play eight. That’s each league’s choice, and they have different reasons for their different formats. But it’s also why subjective comparisons are difficult and sometimes impossible — and why using objective measurements should be preferable whenever possible.

“In my mind, what is better for football is ‘more deserving’ teams,” Neuheisel says. “You ought to have to win, and you can’t just sit there and say this team is that much better.

“But until they do that, we’re stuck dealing the ‘best.’”

Insert your own air quotes.

Again, using the current criteria, the selection committee got it right this season. And unless the Playoff expands, someone will always get left out. But when the sport’s epicenter is continually concentrated in one region, it’s also true that the perception of regional strength can outpace the actual performance.

The Playoff is not going to expand anytime soon. The selection criteria is unlikely to be altered. Which means the increasing regionalization of the sport might not change, either.

Get ready to hear a lot more over the next few days about how it just means more. And in Alabama vs. Georgia, we might be in for a really fun show.

But It would be nice if over the next few years, gut feelings gave way to more tangible measurements, and the College Football Playoff just meant more diversity.

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ForkEmDemons
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re: Bama having a chance to win a title with this resume = the whole system is broken
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Next Monday, they’ll get to play the SEC Champs, so they’ll answer every question that needs to be answered, one way or another. 


No they won't. They got extra rest by avoiding a conference title game. Avoided playing the Big Ten champion or Wisconsin. Avoided a very good UCF team.

They haven't answered much except that it helps to have the deck stacked in your favor and helps when you get advantages other teams don't get.

All this year proves is how broken college football is. Conference titles mean nothing and half of FBS teams have no shot no matter how good they are and how well they do.


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DisplacedBuckeye
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You actually think OSU could beat Bama this year


Maybe.

More importantly, I think UCF could beat Bama this year.


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Maybe




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More importantly, I think UCF could beat Bama this year





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OceanMan
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It's why the NFL playoff format is much superior as it doesn't give a flying frick about style points and only cares about the right number of W's and L


They benefit greatly from only having 32 teams and playing 16 games.


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ReauxlTide222
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Alabama is 47-3 over the last 4 seasons at the time that the committee makes their final top 4 ranking.


Alabama needs to be in the playoff for it to be legitimate.


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