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re: ATL Thread | offseason hot takes + discussion
Posted on 12/7/22 at 12:34 pm to Dale Murphy
Posted on 12/7/22 at 12:34 pm to Dale Murphy
Dansby notwithstanding, I just think there were some severe holes in our lineup and it would be ridiculous not to address those by at least shelling out a little more money than we've been used to, especially when the team that eliminated us and made the World Series while also being in our division just added a player that has notoriously killed us.
And again, it also goes back to McGuirk and AA saying all the right things in terms of spending more. But those words become empty if we have Grissom or Arcia as our opening day SS.
And again, it also goes back to McGuirk and AA saying all the right things in terms of spending more. But those words become empty if we have Grissom or Arcia as our opening day SS.
This post was edited on 12/7/22 at 12:35 pm
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Posted on 12/7/22 at 12:47 pm to Broski
With that said, it looks like we're keeping Pina as TDA's backup which will make it easier to DH Contreras pretty much everyday, so that does fix one problem.
Still need to get lefty bench bat and a good bat for LF. Need to add a reliever or two as well.
Still need to get lefty bench bat and a good bat for LF. Need to add a reliever or two as well.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 1:10 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
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Only in this place where someone says they trust a GM who gave us a fricking world title and is a multiple Executive of The Year get downvoted into oblivion.
fricking ridiculous.
I don't think anyone doubts his ability to sign people to team friendly deals. He obviously is good at that. I think the Exec of the Year is voted on by the other vampire executives. They all marvel at his ability to get young players to sign for way under value for long term deals. They are envious of his ability to dangle a few dollars at someone young and get them to sign.
Where I have an issue is his shitty trade deadline deals (minus 2021). AA picked up Robbie Grossman this year to 'boost' their WS chances. He picked up Odorizzi, which was an expensive inning eater. For frick's sake, we could have grabbed poor ol' Tomlin for a shitload cheaper, but still have had Smith. He got Adrianza, when there were much better options out there, like Drury. None of them hit, or even came close to it. They also gave 'I'll hit you with two strikes' Charlie Morton $20 million for next year. Those deals sucked straight arse. Credit where credit is due, he did do well with Raisel Iglesias, for sure. We have a great reliever for a few years.
He got lucky with Peterson, Rosario and Soler in 2021. All three hit. One year, one. I don't expect every signing to work out, but c'mon, Robbie Grossman? Seriously? The Braves talk a good talk when it comes to money, but don't pony up outside of a shitty contract to Morton. I would love to eat my words, but until it happens, they are all just talk. The Phillies, Mets, Rangers, etc. are all spending. It is an arms race, and the Braves are falling behind.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 1:31 pm to Broski
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Looks like the Braves are using the AJC as a mouthpiece to brace the fans for Vaughn as opening day SS.
Or trying to boost his trade value.
I'd love to see the Braves make a run at Andres Giminez. He'd cost a ton, but that's a shot at cheap upside that can't be ignored.
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Credit where credit is due, he did do well with Raisel Iglesias, for sure. We have a great reliever for a few years.
AA should strongly consider moving Iglesias this offseason. There is almost no scenario where that contract ages well.
This post was edited on 12/7/22 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 12/7/22 at 2:10 pm to VADawg
Some of you sound like you just want to spend money to spend money. Titles aren’t won on paper. Did the Dodgers win with Turner last year or the year before? AA is and should make deals that are worth it instead of responding to what others do. The Phillies are making a splash and are hyped. Good for them. But it means nothing today. As a Braves fan I clearly remember the 90’s when were clearly the best team and we won it once. The Phillies are gonna be a crippled franchise when these players start the decline and when all is said and done our pitching staff will be better than theirs and the Mets from top to bottom.
And whether we make a splash signing or not we are gonna be right there next year and will have more flexibility to make an in season move. And Grissom is a solid player who has shown enough to tell us he could really be a player as he matures. It was the same with Riley.
Check this out - Dansby played 162 games, .329 OBP, 25 HR’s, 96 RBI, 18 SB.
Grissom played 41 games to .353 OBP, 5 HR, 18 RBI, 5 SB.
Give Grissom a full season you looking at 20 HR, 72 RBI, 20 SB in the 8 or 9 hole. It makes no sense to pay Dansby when you have the same player for peanuts. We gave Riley a full season when he was young and look what it turned in to. Grissom will be just fine and we can use that money elsewhere when the right opportunity presents itself.
And whether we make a splash signing or not we are gonna be right there next year and will have more flexibility to make an in season move. And Grissom is a solid player who has shown enough to tell us he could really be a player as he matures. It was the same with Riley.
Check this out - Dansby played 162 games, .329 OBP, 25 HR’s, 96 RBI, 18 SB.
Grissom played 41 games to .353 OBP, 5 HR, 18 RBI, 5 SB.
Give Grissom a full season you looking at 20 HR, 72 RBI, 20 SB in the 8 or 9 hole. It makes no sense to pay Dansby when you have the same player for peanuts. We gave Riley a full season when he was young and look what it turned in to. Grissom will be just fine and we can use that money elsewhere when the right opportunity presents itself.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 2:13 pm to RunningJacket
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Some of you sound like you just want to spend money to spend money. Titles aren’t won on paper.
The hand-wringing is all contingent on Grissom or Arcia being the opening day SS. There are clear holes on this team, all anyone is asking is that we don't neglect them by thinking we can cover with paper.
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Check this out - Dansby played 162 games, .329 OBP, 25 HR’s, 96 RBI, 18 SB.
Grissom played 41 games to .353 OBP, 5 HR, 18 RBI, 5 SB.
No one is saying Grissom isn't good offensively.
This post was edited on 12/7/22 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 12/7/22 at 3:26 pm to RunningJacket
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will have more flexibility to make an in season move.
We don't have the farm to make a lot of in season moves.
And no one is saying they should spend just to spend. But clearly players like Correa, etc., would make them a better team. Phillies may crash and burn in 5 years, but they'll have 5 years of legitimate chances to win the WS.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 4:24 pm to RunningJacket
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Some of you sound like you just want to spend money to spend money. Titles aren’t won on paper.
No one is disagreeing with you that I can see. If they don't spend on Dansby, ok, but they have to fix the holes at LF, SS and DH.
If they want to roll with Grissom at SS they need to get a good LF. Pay for a REAL player. No more Robbie Grossman/Mike Ford half-arse-pray-they-work-out acquisitions.
Pay for one of these glaring holes at a minimum.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 4:31 pm to 21zereaux
Alex Dickerson was our opening day DH last year.
So, yeah, I don't fully trust AA.
If you look at the moves both last offseason and during the season, they were pretty dreadful outside of Iglesias and maybe Kenley.
ETA: The Olson trade remains to be seen.
So, yeah, I don't fully trust AA.
If you look at the moves both last offseason and during the season, they were pretty dreadful outside of Iglesias and maybe Kenley.
ETA: The Olson trade remains to be seen.
This post was edited on 12/7/22 at 4:46 pm
Posted on 12/7/22 at 4:41 pm to Dale Murphy
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Phillies may crash and burn in 5 years, but they'll have 5 years of legitimate chances to win the WS.
You should reasonably be happy with two deep postseason runs in a 5ish year period where you should be contending, but windows sometimes slam shut like I’ve said about the Braves on here in the past. We (and the Phils) are well positioned for the future, but a lot can happen.
The cubs were positioned a lot like us (but went more all in than we have to get 1 because of the curse) after their WS and then just kind of faded to mediocrity.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 6:23 pm to TrussvilleTide
All teams have holes. There isn’t a team that is perfect. And even if there was a perfect team they would still have to get hot at the right time.
I just think folks spend too much emotional energy on the offensive positions where you can see the holes. I personally like knowing that the Braves are gonna be in the game thru the starter and all the way to the 9th. In other words, we may have a hole in left field but the Phillies have a hole in the pen and it will cost them more games than our rleft fielder.
It’s a long process. The Braves are right where they should be while the others are playing catch up. As pointed our earlier by another poster, Contreras is poised to be the everyday DH. Every team is going to be dependent on performance so I have no problem relying on young guys who have something to prove. I want a lock down pen more than I want a bat.
I just think folks spend too much emotional energy on the offensive positions where you can see the holes. I personally like knowing that the Braves are gonna be in the game thru the starter and all the way to the 9th. In other words, we may have a hole in left field but the Phillies have a hole in the pen and it will cost them more games than our rleft fielder.
It’s a long process. The Braves are right where they should be while the others are playing catch up. As pointed our earlier by another poster, Contreras is poised to be the everyday DH. Every team is going to be dependent on performance so I have no problem relying on young guys who have something to prove. I want a lock down pen more than I want a bat.
This post was edited on 12/7/22 at 6:25 pm
Posted on 12/7/22 at 6:33 pm to RunningJacket
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All teams have holes.
No shite, doesn't mean you shouldn't try to fix them.
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I just think folks spend too much emotional energy on the offensive positions where you can see the holes
The reason this whole conversation was due to defense, not offense.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 7:18 pm to Broski
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Broski
Posted on 12/7/22 at 7:19 pm to Hot Carl
huh?
Posted on 12/7/22 at 7:27 pm to Broski
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huh?
Are you not being a whiny bitch? If not, I sincerely apologize. I am just conditioned to read your personnel posts that way.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 7:29 pm to Hot Carl
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Are you not being a whiny bitch? If not, I sincerely apologize. I am just conditioned to read your personnel posts that way.
So you're being a whiny bitch about someone being a whiny bitch without actually reading if someone is being a whiny bitch.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 8:23 pm to Broski
Posted on 12/7/22 at 8:24 pm to Broski
Braves acquire RHP Joe Jimenez from Detroit.
Never mind… beat me to it.
Never mind… beat me to it.
This post was edited on 12/7/22 at 8:26 pm
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Posted on 12/7/22 at 8:24 pm to Broski
Very exciting move.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 8:26 pm to sorantable
Feel like they could've gotten more for Malloy down the road.
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