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re: Adam “Woke” Silver: I want 50% of new NBA officials and coaches to be women
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:51 am to lsupride87
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:51 am to lsupride87
quote:i doubt that an NBA court is large enough for this advantage to be materialized in any real way
The game moves quick. Maybe slight, but I think being quicker as well would be of some advantage.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:56 am to WestCoastAg
quote:Ok. The male brain also processes visual motion quicker, in a somewhat significant amount as well
i doubt that an NBA court is large enough for this advantage to be materialized in any real way
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:57 am to lsupride87
quote:
The game moves quick. Maybe slight, but I think being quicker as well would be of some advantage.
Valid point but there are a lot of old/slower refs in NCAA/NBA right now who make it by.
I would think this is a very slight advantage at best, even less if they move to 4 man crews in the future.
quote:
Nobody does. But that isnt what he is proposing
He suggested a goal which based on his stated belief is reasonable.
If you have similar applicant #s and no M/F advantage, you'd guess "roughly 50/50" split between M/F
If the belief is right and the number isn't 50/50, that means one of three things
1- NBA is failing to recruit applicants
2- NBA is likely not choosing the best candidates
3- Initial belief was wrong
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:58 am to lsupride87
forgive me, that point went over my head. yes. they do
Posted on 5/10/19 at 10:00 am to GenesChin
quote:It isnt reasonable at all
He suggested a goal which based on his stated belief is reasonable.
Most refs played the game or were interested in the game of basketball
Far far far more men are interested in the game of basketball or played it. The talent pool of which to choose being 50% male and female is preposterous.
The only way to achieve a 50/50 outcome on the court will be to take women for the fact of taking women.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 10:07 am to lsupride87
quote:
Most refs played the game or were interested in the game of basketbal
I would imagine female applicants similarly are "interested in" or "played" basketball as well
quote:
Far far far more men are interested in the game of basketball or played it.
There are 541,000 male HS basketball players, 5,400 D1 players
There are 430,000 female HS Basketball players, 5,000 D1 players
I wouldn't call that "far, far, far more"
quote:
The only way to achieve a 50/50
Silver said "roughly 50/50" and if you draw just on HS basketball playing population split it would be 55/45 Male/Female
I'd guess that would be within range of "roughly 50/50"
Posted on 5/10/19 at 10:09 am to lsupride87
quote:I agree with your main points, but this gives me a funny image in my head here of Joey Crawford having an agility race vs a 35-40 year old woman ref.
The game moves quick. Maybe slight, but I think being quicker as well would be of some advantage.
This post was edited on 5/10/19 at 10:09 am
Posted on 5/10/19 at 10:11 am to shel311
quote:I honestly didn’t mean for people to think of physical speed
I agree with your main points, but this gives me a funny image in my head here of Joey Crawford having an agility race vs a 35-40 year old woman ref.
But nonetheless, here is a great gif showing of Joey’s physical prowess
Posted on 5/10/19 at 10:18 am to TbirdSpur2010
quote:
Hire the best people. Forget wondering what's between their fricking legs.
That's his point. The best refs and coaches aren't 99% male.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 10:25 am to floridatigah
quote:Probably true, but women arent going after these positions likely because of interests and other reasons
That's his point. The best refs and coaches aren't 99% male.
The NBA is also only 8% white american. There is likely more able nba talent in this group as well.
But other interests, and also a self fulfilling prophecy so to speak keeps the number down.
I dont see a "problem" that needs to be fixed with either. But I find it interesting Silver only cares about 1 of these so called "problems"
Posted on 5/10/19 at 10:29 am to McCaigBro69
quote:
I wonder what happens the first time someone bangs their coach
Dumb. Is there a rampant history of male coaches banging their WNBA players?
Posted on 5/10/19 at 10:31 am to LordSaintly
quote:Dumb comparison
Dumb. Is there a rampant history of male coaches banging their WNBA players?
large male athletes are considered the top of the food chain for sex appeal
Large female athletes that are likely lesbians are towards the bottom of the food chain for sex appeal
Posted on 5/10/19 at 10:42 am to lsupride87
quote:
but women arent going after these positions likely because of interests and other reasons
If there is a female who'd be the GOAT referee that doesn't apply, the NBA had a recruitment failure. (Keep in mind, it may be more cost effective to accept that failure than trying to fix the failure.)
The reality is, it likely is extremely low cost to increase the ref the candidate pool by adding female candidates
- Public statement about wanting female refs / they will get opportunities
- Very low cost training seminars/clinics
- GLeague Referee opportunities to prove they can ref
My guess is this statement alone + low cost seminar/clinics will show huge returns on female applicant numbers
This post was edited on 5/10/19 at 10:45 am
Posted on 5/10/19 at 10:44 am to GenesChin
quote:Why is he only worried about making the refs and coaches 50/50 based on the population and not the players itself?
GenesChin
Tell me you dont see right through this
Posted on 5/10/19 at 10:48 am to lsupride87
quote:
Why is he only worried about making the refs and coaches 50/50 based on the population and not the players itself?
He appears worried about having the best ref quality and you earlier are hitting on the point he appears to be focused on
The fact that females aren't interested/applying is the problem. It shows up in the final numbers of having 99% male refs
Silver is trying to fix the applicant/interest problem, he isn't trying to force a quota
This post was edited on 5/10/19 at 10:49 am
Posted on 5/10/19 at 10:50 am to GenesChin
quote:Why is he not advocating for this for the player pool?
You basically are making Adam Silver's point, which is funny.
The fact that females aren't interested/applying is the problem. It shows up in the final numbers of having 99% male refs
Silver is trying to fix the applicant/interest problem, he isn't trying to force a quota
Posted on 5/10/19 at 10:55 am to lsupride87
quote:
Why is he not advocating for this for the player pool?
Because there is a clear physical/athletic advantage in being a male in the NBA. Pretty fricking obvious
The reason refs are 99% male, according to Silver, is either:
1) Potential talented female ref doesn't apply
2) Potential talented female ref doesn't have opportunity
It is no different than NBA without borders going overseas and providing basketball courts + access as a potential pipeline/recruiting/viewership goal
1) Generate interest in basketball
2) Provide resources to develop in basketball
3) Increase talent pool for NBA players
There are plenty of players in the NBA who likely would never have sniffed the league without the basketball without borders program giving them access, training and exposure
This post was edited on 5/10/19 at 11:02 am
Posted on 5/10/19 at 11:02 am to GenesChin
quote:No.
Because there is a clear physical/athletic advantage in being a male in the NBA. Pretty fricking obvious
Why is he not worried about the NBA only being made up of 8% white americans?
Why does that not bother him? Does he not think he needs to extend the opportunities for that group?
Posted on 5/10/19 at 11:10 am to StealthCalais11
quote:
Whatever happened to hiring the most qualified applicant?
That went out in the real world a long time ago.
Now the fantasy world of sports is catching up.
It is truly moronic, though. I agree with you.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 12:29 pm to Bench McElroy
I actually like this, I think these guys are less likely do yell and curse and scream at female officials.
I also think females are way less likely to put up with their shite
I also think females are way less likely to put up with their shite
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