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WestCoastAg
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re: Adam “Woke” Silver: I want 50% of new NBA officials and coaches to be women
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The game moves quick. Maybe slight, but I think being quicker as well would be of some advantage.

i doubt that an NBA court is large enough for this advantage to be materialized in any real way


lsupride87
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re: Adam “Woke” Silver: I want 50% of new NBA officials and coaches to be women
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i doubt that an NBA court is large enough for this advantage to be materialized in any real way


Ok. The male brain also processes visual motion quicker, in a somewhat significant amount as well


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re: Adam “Woke” Silver: I want 50% of new NBA officials and coaches to be women
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The game moves quick. Maybe slight, but I think being quicker as well would be of some advantage.


Valid point but there are a lot of old/slower refs in NCAA/NBA right now who make it by.

I would think this is a very slight advantage at best, even less if they move to 4 man crews in the future.

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Nobody does. But that isnt what he is proposing


He suggested a goal which based on his stated belief is reasonable.

If you have similar applicant #s and no M/F advantage, you'd guess "roughly 50/50" split between M/F


If the belief is right and the number isn't 50/50, that means one of three things

1- NBA is failing to recruit applicants
2- NBA is likely not choosing the best candidates
3- Initial belief was wrong







WestCoastAg
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re: Adam “Woke” Silver: I want 50% of new NBA officials and coaches to be women
forgive me, that point went over my head. yes. they do


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lsupride87
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re: Adam “Woke” Silver: I want 50% of new NBA officials and coaches to be women
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He suggested a goal which based on his stated belief is reasonable.
It isnt reasonable at all

Most refs played the game or were interested in the game of basketball


Far far far more men are interested in the game of basketball or played it. The talent pool of which to choose being 50% male and female is preposterous.

The only way to achieve a 50/50 outcome on the court will be to take women for the fact of taking women.


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re: Adam “Woke” Silver: I want 50% of new NBA officials and coaches to be women
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Most refs played the game or were interested in the game of basketbal


I would imagine female applicants similarly are "interested in" or "played" basketball as well

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Far far far more men are interested in the game of basketball or played it.


There are 541,000 male HS basketball players, 5,400 D1 players

There are 430,000 female HS Basketball players, 5,000 D1 players



I wouldn't call that "far, far, far more"

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The only way to achieve a 50/50



Silver said "roughly 50/50" and if you draw just on HS basketball playing population split it would be 55/45 Male/Female


I'd guess that would be within range of "roughly 50/50"


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re: Adam “Woke” Silver: I want 50% of new NBA officials and coaches to be women
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The game moves quick. Maybe slight, but I think being quicker as well would be of some advantage.
I agree with your main points, but this gives me a funny image in my head here of Joey Crawford having an agility race vs a 35-40 year old woman ref.
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lsupride87
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I agree with your main points, but this gives me a funny image in my head here of Joey Crawford having an agility race vs a 35-40 year old woman ref.

I honestly didn’t mean for people to think of physical speed

But nonetheless, here is a great gif showing of Joey’s physical prowess

Image: https://media1.giphy.com/media/3FmyABvSisoRa/giphy.gif


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floridatigah
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re: Adam “Woke” Silver: I want 50% of new NBA officials and coaches to be women
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Hire the best people. Forget wondering what's between their fricking legs.


That's his point. The best refs and coaches aren't 99% male.


lsupride87
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re: Adam “Woke” Silver: I want 50% of new NBA officials and coaches to be women
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That's his point. The best refs and coaches aren't 99% male.
Probably true, but women arent going after these positions likely because of interests and other reasons

The NBA is also only 8% white american. There is likely more able nba talent in this group as well.

But other interests, and also a self fulfilling prophecy so to speak keeps the number down.

I dont see a "problem" that needs to be fixed with either. But I find it interesting Silver only cares about 1 of these so called "problems"


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re: Adam “Woke” Silver: I want 50% of new NBA officials and coaches to be women
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I wonder what happens the first time someone bangs their coach



Dumb. Is there a rampant history of male coaches banging their WNBA players?


lsupride87
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re: Adam “Woke” Silver: I want 50% of new NBA officials and coaches to be women
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Dumb. Is there a rampant history of male coaches banging their WNBA players?

Dumb comparison

large male athletes are considered the top of the food chain for sex appeal

Large female athletes that are likely lesbians are towards the bottom of the food chain for sex appeal


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GenesChin
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re: Adam “Woke” Silver: I want 50% of new NBA officials and coaches to be women
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but women arent going after these positions likely because of interests and other reasons


If there is a female who'd be the GOAT referee that doesn't apply, the NBA had a recruitment failure. (Keep in mind, it may be more cost effective to accept that failure than trying to fix the failure.)


The reality is, it likely is extremely low cost to increase the ref the candidate pool by adding female candidates

- Public statement about wanting female refs / they will get opportunities
- Very low cost training seminars/clinics
- GLeague Referee opportunities to prove they can ref




My guess is this statement alone + low cost seminar/clinics will show huge returns on female applicant numbers







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lsupride87
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re: Adam “Woke” Silver: I want 50% of new NBA officials and coaches to be women
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GenesChin

Why is he only worried about making the refs and coaches 50/50 based on the population and not the players itself?

Tell me you dont see right through this


GenesChin
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re: Adam “Woke” Silver: I want 50% of new NBA officials and coaches to be women
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Why is he only worried about making the refs and coaches 50/50 based on the population and not the players itself?


He appears worried about having the best ref quality and you earlier are hitting on the point he appears to be focused on


The fact that females aren't interested/applying is the problem. It shows up in the final numbers of having 99% male refs


Silver is trying to fix the applicant/interest problem, he isn't trying to force a quota
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lsupride87
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You basically are making Adam Silver's point, which is funny.


The fact that females aren't interested/applying is the problem. It shows up in the final numbers of having 99% male refs


Silver is trying to fix the applicant/interest problem, he isn't trying to force a quota
Why is he not advocating for this for the player pool?



GenesChin
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re: Adam “Woke” Silver: I want 50% of new NBA officials and coaches to be women
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Why is he not advocating for this for the player pool?


Because there is a clear physical/athletic advantage in being a male in the NBA. Pretty fricking obvious


The reason refs are 99% male, according to Silver, is either:

1) Potential talented female ref doesn't apply
2) Potential talented female ref doesn't have opportunity




It is no different than NBA without borders going overseas and providing basketball courts + access as a potential pipeline/recruiting/viewership goal

1) Generate interest in basketball
2) Provide resources to develop in basketball
3) Increase talent pool for NBA players


There are plenty of players in the NBA who likely would never have sniffed the league without the basketball without borders program giving them access, training and exposure
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lsupride87
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re: Adam “Woke” Silver: I want 50% of new NBA officials and coaches to be women
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Because there is a clear physical/athletic advantage in being a male in the NBA. Pretty fricking obvious


No.

Why is he not worried about the NBA only being made up of 8% white americans?

Why does that not bother him? Does he not think he needs to extend the opportunities for that group?


Geauxboy
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re: Adam “Woke” Silver: I want 50% of new NBA officials and coaches to be women
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Whatever happened to hiring the most qualified applicant?


That went out in the real world a long time ago.
Now the fantasy world of sports is catching up.
It is truly moronic, though. I agree with you.


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re: Adam “Woke” Silver: I want 50% of new NBA officials and coaches to be women
I actually like this, I think these guys are less likely do yell and curse and scream at female officials.

I also think females are way less likely to put up with their shit


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