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re: 2023 Formula 1 season Thread

Posted on 11/28/23 at 8:14 am to
Posted by sorantable
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Posted on 11/28/23 at 8:14 am to
Lando comin’
Posted by Hogssmellgood
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Posted on 11/28/23 at 8:15 am to
I don’t care if Max wins every race. I just want him to actually have to race people to get there.
Posted by XenScott
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Posted on 11/28/23 at 8:21 am to
If Max was not racing, this would have been one of the greatest seasons ever. Kudos to Max but if you mentally blocked him out there was great racing. I hate to call it watching the midfield because that’s not what it really was.
Posted by BottomlandBrew
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Posted on 11/28/23 at 8:51 am to
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if Ferrari gets their strategy and shite in order



Posted by kengel2
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Posted on 11/28/23 at 8:52 am to
I dont expect anything to change with Red Bull winning until the 2026 cars.

Mclaren seems to be the closest.

Maybe one day Haas will fire Guenther Steiner.
Posted by Open Your Eyes
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Posted on 11/28/23 at 8:59 am to
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I have a feeling Mercedes and Ferrari are going to all but catch up to Red Bull in tech.

If the rumors about Red Bull not developing their car at all the second half of the season so they could work on next year’s car are true, why would anyone believe this?
Posted by 1999
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Posted on 11/28/23 at 10:35 am to
Adrian Newley got a jump start on this car. That is bad news for everyone else. And I don’t see anything changing until the regs update in 2026.



Posted by horsesandbulls
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Posted on 11/28/23 at 10:36 am to
Bucky and I would like formally request an audit of the system.
Posted by TigerFanatic99
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Posted on 11/28/23 at 11:47 am to
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If the rumors about Red Bull not developing their car at all the second half of the season so they could work on next year’s car are true, why would anyone believe this?


I've been very open that I'm very new as an F1 follower, so I could just be very wrong.

From what I've read the biggest difference (among many, I know) that led to the performance gap was that the Red Bull team saw something in the floor design that none of the other teams caught. They basically caught lightning in a bottle. Other teams are going to figure that out going into next year.

Is it just to be expected that Red Bull is going to stumble open another massive difference maker like that and no other team will again? Sure, it's absolutely possible, but it's much more likely they don't and as a result other teams fill that gap from this year.
Posted by TigerAlumni2010
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Posted on 11/28/23 at 12:21 pm to
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Is it just to be expected that Red Bull is going to stumble open another massive difference maker like that and no other team will again? Sure, it's absolutely possible, but it's much more likely they don't and as a result other teams fill that gap from this year.


They have Adrian Newey designing the car, which makes it an almost certainty that if there is something to find, he will find it.
Posted by OU Guy
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Posted on 11/28/23 at 12:31 pm to
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If Max was not racing, this would have been one of the greatest seasons ever. Kudos to Max but if you mentally blocked him out there was great racing. I hate to call it watching the midfield because that’s not what it really was.


I don’t fully buy in to greatest racing ever if Max had sat.

Keep in mind you are looking at points with Max racing. If he never races then the new winner gets max points vs 2/3/4 points and so on. Then each team would use a different team strategy to maximize their top driver which likely produces different results than current. It would have been a completely different deal. Many decisions different. All kinds of factors.

Max won and dominated and that was awesome from a purely technical and racing driver POV. Yes, racing. Some of the moves Max made to pass were something you don’t see often in F1 (passing for lead) and in some cases he had to come from far back. That was fun to watch how great a driver he is.

If all are bunched up it can create way more first corner top 5 wrecks. And thats not fun as it takes out good cars.

Every year is different and I enjoyed Max dominating because it showcased him as a driver too. The last race first few laps he demonstrated how to defend without burning your tires up. Could have stretched lead at start but didn’t want to wear tires. Thats hard to do knowing you can go faster but must manage tires. Takes skill. Time after time he showed his driving brilliance.
This post was edited on 11/28/23 at 12:34 pm
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 11/28/23 at 12:32 pm to
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If the rumors about Red Bull not developing their car at all the second half of the season


Williams also stopped before the break. Williams P5 in 2024.
Posted by 1999
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Posted on 11/28/23 at 1:31 pm to
RBR was held back for years due to the crappy Renault toaster oven engine. Now that Honda has equaled the playing field, newey can really shine.
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 11/28/23 at 8:39 pm to
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Bucky and I would like formally request an audit of the system.


We are checking....
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 11/28/23 at 8:48 pm to
Excellent interview with Albon. Not going to lie, I wasn't a fan of his at RBR (They race me so hard), but he's really grown on me.
Posted by 1999
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Posted on 11/29/23 at 8:38 am to
legit nice guy. maybe too nice for a team like Red Bull. he seems to have a really good thing going at Williams.
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Posted on 11/29/23 at 10:36 am to
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I have a feeling Mercedes and Ferrari are going to all but catch up to Red Bull in tech. We're going to get a much better idea how much of this year was Max and how much was the car.

I think we'll see both Hamilton and Leclerc with multiple wins, but I still expect Max to have the most wins and take the driver's chanpionship.



I don't see them coming close to catching up. Or I don't see Hamilton and LeClerc having multiple victories.

After the race Hamilton already looked depressed about next year stating that Red Bull basically hadn't touched their car since July or August. So they probably have upgrades ready to go. If anyone else other than Max or Red Bulls #2 driver has multiple wins I would be shocked.
Posted by nola tiger lsu
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 11/29/23 at 11:13 am to
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If anyone else other than Max or Red Bulls #2 driver has multiple wins I would be shocked.


Love it!
Posted by bikerack
NH
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Posted on 11/30/23 at 10:59 am to
This cracked me up.

Apparently, you can drive anything at Nürburgring...

https://x.com/engineers_feed/status/1730205309782655123?s=20
Posted by barry
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Posted on 11/30/23 at 11:24 am to
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From what I've read the biggest difference (among many, I know) that led to the performance gap was that the Red Bull team saw something in the floor design that none of the other teams caught. They basically caught lightning in a bottle. Other teams are going to figure that out going into next year.



They didn't catch lightening in a bottle. They got the friendliest regulations possible considering Newey is the greatest aero designer ever and within that his speciality is under car aero, he's essentially the pioneer of this concept.

The advantage RB had out the gate is pretty much insurmountable. They teams will get closer as really there is only one fast way to develop the car, but with that much of a lead in tech and having Max, simply no one is going to beat them. I agree with Max, if you want better racing, quit changing regs so dramatically every 5 years. You simply spread the field out every time.
This post was edited on 11/30/23 at 11:26 am
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