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re: 12/13 NBA Thread
Posted on 12/14/17 at 12:51 pm to SwaggerCopter
Posted on 12/14/17 at 12:51 pm to SwaggerCopter
quote:
At this point, I have no problem saying that Harden is well on his way to being a better player than Kobe Bryant. Just a different class of efficiency and passing.
Harden is having an amazing start to the season. But let's pump the brakes. A large part of how a player's career is judged is how they perform in the playoffs. And Harden flat out gave up last year.
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Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:02 pm to SanAntoneAg
About those playoff performances ... yea...
James Harden has averaged 27.3 points, 7.1 assists, 5.6 rebounds and has a 57.9 TS% in the playoffs while with the Rockets. Players who averaged 25/5/5 with a 57% TS% in their careers: LeBron James and Stephen Curry.
James Harden has averaged 27.3 points, 7.1 assists, 5.6 rebounds and has a 57.9 TS% in the playoffs while with the Rockets. Players who averaged 25/5/5 with a 57% TS% in their careers: LeBron James and Stephen Curry.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:06 pm to SwaggerCopter
quote:I wouldn't argue with you.
At this point, I have no problem saying that Harden is well on his way to being a better player than Kobe Bryant. Just a different class of efficiency and passing.
Also, Lebron is on a different level than both. He's shooting 58% this year
Harden is incredible, though. I really like him.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:09 pm to Boomshockalocka
quote:Quite a drop from the regular season
James Harden has averaged 27.3 points, 7.1 assists,
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:09 pm to ReauxlTide222
Lucky for us we have ws/48 that includes fg%. James is about 14% better by that. And I gotta say that agrees with what I’m seeing. Lebron turns the ball over too much to be put on James level if we are being 100% honest.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:10 pm to ReauxlTide222
Nope. James in Reg season in same time frame.
27.4 pt
7.6 assist
5.9 Reb
27.4 pt
7.6 assist
5.9 Reb
This post was edited on 12/14/17 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:21 pm to Boomshockalocka
Under D'Antoni, this dude went from 11.5 assists to 7.5 assists. 8 rebounds to 5.5.
How do you have THAT big a dip in assists?
That's like Oregon under Kelly when they finally start playing real teams.
How do you have THAT big a dip in assists?
That's like Oregon under Kelly when they finally start playing real teams.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:24 pm to ReauxlTide222
quote:
Harden is incredible, though. I really like him.
Black Manu
Hair on his face instead of his head
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:31 pm to ReauxlTide222
LeBron is absurd this year. Him gaining a jumpshot is just scary (and he is very clearly still the literal most valuable player in the world every year). If the Rockets get to 60 wins, Harden will rightfully win the MVP though. And I get the sense that many in the media feel they owe it to Harden after last year.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:31 pm to SwaggerCopter
Stats-wise, who is having the better year?
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:32 pm to SwaggerCopter
Swag. You need to set your eyes on 70 Not 60.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:34 pm to ReauxlTide222
quote:
How do you have THAT big a dip in assists?
That's like Oregon under Kelly when they finally start playing real teams.
Well, everyone knows the playoffs don't flow as well as the regular season. Teams get 7 games to hone in on tendencies and such. But Harden definitely must impose his will better in the playoffs. I am hoping that with CP3 in the fold, he will have more room to operate. He has had teams in the playoffs where he was the only person capable of making a play. Lineups consisting of only catch and shoot players are not good for the playoffs. And I think Morey has made some good changes over the years.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:37 pm to SwaggerCopter
quote:I hope not..
If the Rockets get to 60 wins, Harden will rightfully win the MVP though
Because y'all have way more than 60 in you
quote:No doubt. The only thing that can compete with that storyline is Lebron legit throwing his name in the ring at this age after not winning for this many years.
And I get the sense that many in the media feel they owe it to Harden after last year.
And it's happening.
I have no idea what the odds are in Vegas, but I'd say there's a better chance that Harden wins it(at this point) than not winning. And he'd be a deserving winner.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:39 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:
Stats-wise, who is having the better year?
Stats include so many things. The two are basically tied in win shares (Harden has a very slight edge) with Harden ahead in WS/48. Harden has more points and assists, but LeBron is more efficient (as big men tend to be). The biggest difference though is that the Cavs right now are a good team with a point differential of +3.5. The Rockets are elite with a point differential of +11.0.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:40 pm to SwaggerCopter
quote:Basketball stats have gone the way of baseball. I don't understand them anymore.
Stats include so many things.
Which is why I asked.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:46 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
Stop playin'
You're over yonder debating net neutrality. You can grasp some silly basketball stats.
You're over yonder debating net neutrality. You can grasp some silly basketball stats.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:47 pm to SwaggerCopter
Member that net rating stat that was so important last year.
HARDEN +6.6
LEBRON +.1
cavs are only a smidgeon better with Lebron on the court vs off. Kinda makes it tough to say he is the ‘most valuable’ no?
HARDEN +6.6
LEBRON +.1
cavs are only a smidgeon better with Lebron on the court vs off. Kinda makes it tough to say he is the ‘most valuable’ no?
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:48 pm to ReauxlTide222
quote:I don't understand that shite either. My username is not a misnomer.
You're over yonder debating net neutrality.
quote:I guess I could. But basketball is boring AF.
You can grasp some silly basketball stats.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:52 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
Meet me at sonic in 5.
I will MMA your arse.
I will MMA your arse.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 10:22 am to PrimeTime Money
quote:
It looked to me like he might have dislocated his shoulder. I've seen people dislocate it before and they often hold their arm at a 90 degree angle pressed up near their body when walking off because it feels better in that position.
Jonathan Feigen:
Rockets announce that Mbah a Moute dislocated his shoulder and will be reevaluated in one week.
12/14/17, 2:22pm
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