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With a Hillary's presidency all but certain, I'm out of the biotech

Posted on 10/11/16 at 10:13 am
Posted by Northwestern tiger
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Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 10/11/16 at 10:13 am
In general, sold all My bio shares.
Smart or idiotic move?
Posted by Chaplain
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Posted on 10/11/16 at 10:14 am to
idiotic. really, worse than idiotic.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
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Posted on 10/11/16 at 11:11 am to
I'm curious to know your reasoning.
Posted by dabigfella
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Posted on 10/11/16 at 11:23 am to
How is her presidency certain? Trump ate her lunch the other night and I'm sure wiki leaks has something good coming
Posted by bayoubengals88
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Posted on 10/11/16 at 11:50 am to
You might as well go all in and buy the 3x leverage inverse....
Posted by barry
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Posted on 10/11/16 at 12:19 pm to
quote:

Smart or idiotic move?



Does she have an agenda against biotech?

I'm guessing the stock market is pretty presidential independent.
Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 10/11/16 at 12:34 pm to
quote:


I'm guessing the stock market is pretty presidential independent.



In election years, the stock market always seems to do pretty well. Wouldn't be surprised if some negatives start coming about after the election

Posted by TigerDeBaiter
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 10/11/16 at 1:37 pm to
Depends on where your positions were I suppose, but generally speaking; I think once this bloodshed (really fake bloodshed - to get people like you to sell their shares) is over, biotech will be a great buy. Hillary is the croniest of cronies. She ain't layin down the law on anybody. I've said it all along, the market and especially biopharm, should fear trump, not hilldog.

Why not insure you're positions with some LABD or other hedge?
Posted by notbilly
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Posted on 10/11/16 at 4:24 pm to
I plan to stash some cash and buy the day after the election when people are freaking out again. I seem to recall the market taking a dive the day after the last couple of elections b/c of people freaking out over Obama winning. The market was quick to rebound... Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 10/11/16 at 5:09 pm to
quote:

Hillary is the croniest of cronies.



All major national politicians are this way. Hillary/tClintons are just better at it than everyone else right now.


Every major politician has their cronies. Just beneficial to find out who they are before they are elected

Posted by Northwestern tiger
Long Island NY
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 10/11/16 at 8:42 pm to
quote:

'm curious to know your reasoning.


In my opinion, the first thing Hillary will do is call for congressional hearing about drug pricing and call for more regulation on the pharmaceutical industry.
consequences for that are not gonna be pretty.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
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Posted on 10/11/16 at 11:49 pm to
Well that's an interesting theory.
Posted by Spirit of Dunson
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 10/12/16 at 1:16 am to
quote:

In my opinion, the first thing Hillary will do is call for congressional hearing about drug pricing and call for more regulation on the pharmaceutical industry.
consequences for that are not gonna be pretty.

interesting... Why would that be the "first thing" she does? Is it because it hasn't been a real talking point in the debates or election? or is it because of the more than $13 million in donations she received from the pharmaceutical industry this election cycle?
Posted by Sigma
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Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 10/12/16 at 12:34 pm to
quote:

Hillary is the croniest of cronies. She ain't layin down the law on anybody. I've said it all along, the market and especially biopharm, should fear trump, not hilldog.


This. She might make some back room deals with big pharma to take some low hanging fruit to give the impression she is trying to do something about prices. But she will leave the fundamentals alone.

These gouging cases are so few and far between anyway. Certainly not widespread enough to look at rediculous pricing limits.
Posted by RemouladeSawce
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Posted on 10/12/16 at 5:40 pm to
If the saber rattling is legitimate then it's actual pharma with broad portfolios and fat margin with the most exposure. In theory the dynamics of limited pipeline/earlier stage biotechs aren't really changed.

She is generally not one to actually follow through on saber rattling though, nor is the office of POTUS King/Queen. Congress should hold fine.
This post was edited on 10/12/16 at 5:53 pm
Posted by Sigma
Fairhope, AL
Member since Dec 2005
3643 posts
Posted on 10/12/16 at 6:12 pm to
quote:

If the saber rattling is legitimate then it's actual pharma with broad portfolios and fat margin with the most exposure. In theory the dynamics of limited pipeline/earlier stage biotechs aren't really changed.


How do you think early stage biotech makes money?
Posted by Rohan2Reed
Member since Nov 2003
75674 posts
Posted on 10/12/16 at 10:13 pm to
Did you happen to read the WSJ the same morning you made this thread?

Biotech Stocks Smacked For Biggest Decline in 3 1/2 Months

quote:

By CHRIS DIETERICH AND BEN EISEN
Oct 11, 2016 4:57 pm ET
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Traders dumped biotechnology stocks on Tuesday over concerns that a one-sided election could hand Democrats control of Congress, a make-up likely to favor lower drug costs.

The $7.6 billion iShares Nasdaq Biotechnology exchange-traded fund, which owns shares including Amgen Inc., Celgene Corp. and Biogen Inc., dropped 3.8%, its sharpest decline since June 24 – the day global markets shuddered on the heels of Britain’s “Brexit” referendum.


Health-care stocks in the S&P 500 fell 2.5%, roughly double the decline in the S&P 500. The iShares U.S. Pharmaceuticals ETF fell 2.6%.

Biotech and pharmaceutical stocks, which tend to be generally volatile, have been even more so over the past year amid concerns about a crackdown on fast-rising prices for specialized drug treatments. Just over a year ago, a tweet from Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton that mentioned “price gouging” helped grease a biotech slide from which large-cap biotech stocks have yet to recover.

“Most people have pointed to healthcare as a sector that would be under pressure from a Democratic sweep,” said James Tierney, chief investment officer of concentrated U.S. growth at AllianceBernstein Holding. “I think the volatility in healthcare will be elevated for the next 28 days or so.”

Biotech stocks started the session lower, though the widening rift within the Republican Party appeared to exacerbate biotech stocks’ slide, traders said.

Republicans are feuding over whether to support their party’s presidential nominee Donald Trump after a video surfaced showing Mr. Trump using crude language about women. House Speaker Paul Ryan on Monday told House colleagues to do what they needed to survive politically, while he would neither campaign for nor defend their party’s presidential nominee. The intra-party bickering had Wall Street’s inside-the-beltway strategists buzzing this week about whether a big loss by Mr. Trump could wipe out the Republican majority in the House of Representatives.

“There’s a growing GOP panic that a landslide is looming,” wrote Greg Valliere, chief global strategist at Horizon Investments, on Tuesday. “For the financial markets, this election suddenly is a big deal.”

Anxiety about biotech in particular was evident in the options market on Tuesday as traders targeted November-expiry contracts that profit from declines in the SPDR S&P Biotech ETF. Alison Edwards, who sits on the options-trading desk at Susquehanna Financial Group, reported a “steady wave of protective November trading.”

“The threat of a Clinton White House, underscored by near-term disappointment may be weighing on investors’ confidence in the sector,” said Jack Ablin, chief investment officer at BMO Private Bank.
Posted by jeffsdad
Member since Mar 2007
21365 posts
Posted on 10/13/16 at 6:57 am to
I agree, cash is king.

The issue is what are Hillary's plans on pushing for additional taxes on our 401ks, investments, everything us "rich" people have cause we stole it all from the poors.

I don't believe anything will be safe once she gets in.
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