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Posted on 6/13/19 at 6:18 pm
Posted by Fat Harry
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Posted on 6/13/19 at 6:18 pm
I'm looking at some opportunities to buy some farm land. The property is leased to a long-time reputable farmer. The rent is 23% of the gross crop revenue and landowner owes no expenses except a portion of crop insurance.

Anyone on the board looked at these opportunities? I'd like to get some rent comparisons.
Posted by eng08
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 6/13/19 at 6:20 pm to
In NE LA I’ve seen and been told of returns of 2-3% the last few years when new owners buy. I should almost all are from out of state, large cities, and I assume they are looking for a “safe” place to park several million.
Posted by Decisions
Member since Mar 2015
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Posted on 6/13/19 at 6:48 pm to
Where is the land (LA delta/Midwest/hill dirt), is it irrigated (or capable of being irrigated), what is the price-per-acre, what crops have been/will be grown on it, what are the base acres, and how much are you looking to put down on it?

It’s a terrible time to buy, fyi. With all cash and no borrowing it’ll be hard to beat 3%.
Posted by jimbeam
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Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 6/13/19 at 7:11 pm to
Overall, right now is not a good time to buy farmland from my research and personal experience
Posted by StealthCalais11
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Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 6/13/19 at 8:18 pm to
quote:

returns of 2-3%

I cannot fathom this. There are other “safe” investments that easily net double that.
Posted by eng08
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 6/13/19 at 8:23 pm to
Me either, there were several tracts around family, each a thousand or so acres at 5k an acre...
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
19579 posts
Posted on 6/13/19 at 9:30 pm to
I haven't been keeping up with farm land prices, still high as eagle snatch?

I figured prices would be falling by now and that there would be some foreclosures to pick up.
Posted by baldona
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Member since Feb 2016
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Posted on 6/14/19 at 7:00 am to
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cannot fathom this. There are other “safe” investments that easily net double that.


Please name some then. I’ll save you the hassle, no there aren’t. The dentist got blasted for asking about this a couple weeks ago. Plus, farm land generally you can use recreationally to do things like fish, shoot guns, camp, etc. It’s more then just an email showing how many shares you own. It’s a diversification of assets away from equities.
Posted by Shepherd88
Member since Dec 2013
4573 posts
Posted on 6/14/19 at 7:43 am to
quote:

It’s a diversification of assets away from equities.


It’s a concentration of assets with a big bet made on weather.

Ive found farmers tend to be the most risk averse clients, yet they are investing in one of the most risky asset class.
Posted by Fat Harry
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Member since Mar 2005
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Posted on 6/14/19 at 7:43 am to
quote:

Where is the land (LA delta/Midwest/hill dirt), is it irrigated (or capable of being irrigated), what is the price-per-acre, what crops have been/will be grown on it, what are the base acres, and how much are you looking to put down on it?


Land is in the MS delta, it is irrigated (too irrigated right now due to the high river seepwater), crops are cotton, beans and corn. 160 acre tract. They want a little over $5k/acre.
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 6/14/19 at 8:20 am to
In our area, it’s still all either
1. advertised as hunting property (or at least priced that way) and we know no body down here is killing chit
2. Getting snatched up by cane guys, who are actually making money apparently
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
35328 posts
Posted on 6/14/19 at 9:05 am to
quote:

Getting snatched up by cane guys, who are actually making money apparently



Not if you ask them though
Posted by RTN
Member since Oct 2016
769 posts
Posted on 6/14/19 at 9:48 am to
quote:

The rent is 23% of the gross crop revenue


Usually for NNN commercial properties, the rent to sales ratio is somewhere between 5% and 10%. Anything above 12% is dicey. I don't know anything about farming but that number would be a huge red flag if the property was a restaurant, drug store, gas station, etc.
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11470 posts
Posted on 6/14/19 at 10:49 am to
quote:

Land is in the MS delta, it is irrigated (too irrigated right now due to the high river seepwater), crops are cotton, beans and corn. 160 acre tract. They want a little over $5k/acre.


I don't think I have seen any land in Mississippi that gets 2-3% at over $5,000 an acre. I could be wrong. I have been calculating 2-3% on some $3k pieces.
Posted by CajunTiger92
Member since Dec 2007
2819 posts
Posted on 6/14/19 at 11:03 am to
Years ago we had leased farm property and it was 20% gross rev.
Posted by KillTheGophers
Member since Jan 2016
6209 posts
Posted on 6/14/19 at 11:07 am to
GSE bonds will net more than that

Municipal lower floaters with the LC that guarantees the bond will pay more than that we

Both with almost zero risk

There have been several quality bond offerings the last 36 months that have little overall risk.

Of course there are tax free / exempt municipal bonds - if you conduct your due diligence, there are solid opportunities available.

There are still covertibke bond hedge plays out there that have little risk but offer solid returns.


quote:

Please name some then.



Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
19579 posts
Posted on 6/14/19 at 12:41 pm to
As much as it sucks just may have to cave and become cane farmers.
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 6/14/19 at 12:50 pm to
That’ll be the frickin day
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
19579 posts
Posted on 6/14/19 at 12:57 pm to


Yea I knew that would get ya.
Posted by Decisions
Member since Mar 2015
1471 posts
Posted on 6/14/19 at 1:49 pm to
quote:

Land is in the MS delta, it is irrigated (too irrigated right now due to the high river seepwater), crops are cotton, beans and corn. 160 acre tract. They want a little over $5k/acre.


If it’s close enough to the levee to have serious seepage I’d assume we’re dealing with primarily silt loam soils then. For prime irrigated land in the delta that price is pretty standard (though not a deal).

23% across all crops is interesting. In most leases down here you typically see 25% for grain and 20% for cotton (due to cotton grossing more) so that could potentially be a plus.

If you aren’t borrowing any money and are using post-tax dollars you’ll need ~$160 an acre to achieve 3%. That wouldn’t be difficult with prime, irrigated land. He’d likely need to average at or over 1,100 lb of cotton, 185 bushels of corn, or somewhere in the 70’s on soybeans.

Obviously if you’re borrowing the money these numbers get much worse very quickly.

Also, by “base acres” I’m referring to what the historical crop mix has been on the place and thus what crops you could potentially be paid on if there is a government program. You should check on that either at the local FSA office or with the seller. It’s important. Pro tip: the more cotton base acres the better. It’s historically paid more than the other crops.
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