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The "Unbanked"

Posted on 1/19/22 at 3:49 pm
Posted by LSUFanHouston
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Posted on 1/19/22 at 3:49 pm
We always hear about "the unbanked" i.e. the people who don't have bank accounts.

A client called me this morning. He has a small farm that he has run for about 15 yeas as a side gig. He retired form his real job 12/31 and is planning on spending a lot of time, with his wife, hanging out with his kids / grandkids in another state.

In light of this, he has decided to hire an employee to work on the farm. He has never had an employee before (he just did most of the work himself and occasionally hired contract labor when needed). This plan is this person will work roughly 25 hours a week. In addition to the daily work on the farm he will do some upkeep projects on the property that have been neglected for years.

Anywho client calls me to tell me all this and to ask me about how to handle payroll, etc, since he may not be physically present many times to physically pay the guy. He mentioned the employee has a green card, has been in the US over 20 years, and recently got in a whole bunch of tax trouble because a prior employer was paying him cash, that employer got audited, the employer was then forced to file W-2s late, which got traced back to this guy, and now he owes a bunch of money.

Client says, employee wants to be above board, but I don't know how to pay him, since the employee doesn't have a checking account, and doesn't want a checking account, because he has never trusted the banking system.

He's going to go back and talk to the employee about setting op a checking account at the client's bank, where the client knows the bank officers, or if not that, to see if the employee will at least apply for a payroll debit card.

It just boggles my mind how someone can live an adult life and not have a checking account. My two kids - who are not even old enough to work - each have a checking account, savings account, and a very, very small investment account.

I love the high finance topics discussed on this board... and today was a reminder there is a whole other world out there.
Posted by 21JumpStreet
Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 1/19/22 at 4:02 pm to
Thought this would be a crypto unbanked thread
Posted by Lightning
Texas
Member since May 2014
2297 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 4:26 pm to
You mentioned he has a green card. Depending what country he's from, the distrust of the banking system runs deep in some places. Hyperinflation, government confiscation of assets, and just plain old corruption have burned people too many times in recent memory.
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
68408 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 4:47 pm to
he can always mail him a check like every business does.

I dont understand not trusting the bank for a simple checking account thats usually free with a direct deposit.


You get your money the same time every time, dont have to wait extra during a hurricane because fed ex closed down.

Your money is insured.

And if you lose your wallet with just a card, thats better than losing your wallet with a wad of cash.

Some banks will give you free monthly credit score updates.

Some accounts allow you to earn interest on them.

Much easier to pay bills online and do online shopping.


I dont know, all these little things outweigh banks sucking imo.

Posted by Lightning
Texas
Member since May 2014
2297 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 5:10 pm to
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I dont understand not trusting the bank for a simple checking account thats usually free with a direct deposit.

Your money is insured.





quote:

I waited four hours to get 6 cents.


Venezuela 2018

quote:

Cyprus will levy a "one-time" tax on bank deposits to raise an additional $7.5 billion. This tax will take 6.75 percent from insured deposits of €100,000 ($129,000) or less, and 9.9 percent from uninsured amounts above €100,000. ... If you're wondering why anybody would keep their money in a Cypriot bank now, well, they wouldn't. This is an open invitation for an old-fashioned run on their banks. The only reason that isn't happening now is their banks are closed for an extended holiday.


Cyprus 2013

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In 2019, the Lebanese woke up one day to learn that the banks had locked them out of their accounts, leaving depositors unable to retrieve their rapidly depreciating funds. Triple-digit hyperinflation has taken hold. Food prices alone have increased 550 percent since 2019.


Lebanon 2019


It's this.

These are just a few recent examples I pulled because I already knew about them, I'm sure there are many more. Zimbabwe for example. The American trust in the banking system is not universal. These are not all 3rd world countries, some of these countries were middle class with (supposedly) secure banking systems and they just straight up locked the doors, pulled money out of people's accounts or held the money until inflation made it worthless.
Posted by jfw3535
South of Bunkie
Member since Mar 2008
4643 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 5:18 pm to
A lot of immigrants are distrustful of banks for one reason or another and only operate in cash. I had heard once that if you want to make some bank in home burglary, skip the high end white people neighborhood and go find a house an immigrant that runs a business. Chances are they have 100k plus in cash stashed away in their house somewhere.

I worked with a Vietnamese lady once and she confirmed that she know several Vietnamese business owners - nail shops, restaurants, convenience stores - who all kept 6 figures in cash hidden in their houses.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
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Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 1/20/22 at 11:59 am to
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A lot of immigrants are distrustful of banks for one reason or another and only operate in cash.


i think this is absolutely it. I don't know what country this employee comes from, but I'm guessing it is a cultural fear probably because of issues in their home country.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37020 posts
Posted on 1/20/22 at 12:00 pm to
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he can always mail him a check like every business does.


But then the guy still has to negotiate the check so he has to go to one of those check cashing places I guess. Which charge fees.
Posted by FinleyStreet
Member since Aug 2011
7898 posts
Posted on 1/20/22 at 12:10 pm to
Most payroll systems these days offer an option to pay employees on a preloaded card. You could go that route.
Posted by oklahogjr
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Member since Jan 2010
36748 posts
Posted on 1/20/22 at 5:41 pm to
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But then the guy still has to negotiate the check so he has to go to one of those check cashing places I guess. Which charge fees.

How is that your problem?

And if you feel it is why not just give him a pay bump to accommodate it. Since it's your problem.

Preloaded card seems like your best bet for him though which is pretty much banking for the unbanked and employed
This post was edited on 1/20/22 at 5:43 pm
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