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The Predatory Lending Machine Crushing Small Business Across America

Posted on 12/5/18 at 1:30 pm
Posted by OleWarSkuleAlum
Huntsville, AL
Member since Dec 2013
10293 posts
Posted on 12/5/18 at 1:30 pm
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Look out, the stranger on the phone warned. They’re coming for you. The caller had Janelle Duncan’s attention. Perpetually peppy at 53, with sparkly jewelry and a glittery manicure, Duncan was running a struggling Florida real estate agency with her husband, Doug. She began each day in prayer, a vanilla latte in her hand and her Maltese Shih Tzu, Coco, on her lap, asking God for business to pick up. She’d answered the phone that Friday morning in January hoping it would be a new client looking for a home in the Tampa suburbs.

The man identified himself as a debt counselor. He described a bizarre legal proceeding that he said was targeting Duncan without her knowledge. A lender called ABC had filed a court judgment against her in the state of New York and was planning to seize her possessions. “I’m not sure if they already froze your bank accounts, but they are RIGHT NOW moving to do just that,” he’d written in an email earlier that day. He described the lender as “EXTREMLY AGGRESSIVE.” Her only hope, the man said, was to pull all her money out of the bank immediately.

His story sounded fishy to the Duncans. They had borrowed $36,762 from a company called ABC Merchant Solutions LLC, but as far as they knew they were paying the money back on schedule. Doug dialed his contact there and was assured all was well. They checked with a lawyer; he was skeptical, too. What kind of legal system would allow all that to happen 1,000 miles away without notice or a hearing? They shrugged off the warning as a scam.

But the caller was who he said he was, and everything he predicted came true. The following Monday, Doug logged in at the office to discover he no longer had access to his bank accounts. A few days on, $52,886.93 disappeared from one of them. The loss set off a chain of events that culminated a month later in financial ruin. Not long after her agency went bankrupt, Janelle collapsed and was rushed to the hospital, vomiting bile.


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Very long article worth reading. Incredible how corrupt our court system is in conjunction with unsavory businesses.
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
57401 posts
Posted on 12/5/18 at 1:40 pm to
how has other states not literally murdered this company?
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 12/5/18 at 3:47 pm to
Deperate people with poor judgment are always subject to being scammed. Sad to see, but it happens.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
36901 posts
Posted on 12/5/18 at 3:50 pm to
they signed for the rates and for the declarations.

However, if these companies are misrepresenting the status of these loans, and amounts due, and altering docs, then they need to be held account for that.
Posted by MusclesofBrussels
Member since Dec 2015
4431 posts
Posted on 12/5/18 at 4:09 pm to
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Very long article worth reading. Incredible how corrupt our court system is in conjunction with unsavory businesses.


My favorite part is the government employee who gets 5% of the funds and made $1.7M last year off of these scams. Seems legit - way to go New York.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35236 posts
Posted on 12/5/18 at 4:15 pm to
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Deperate people with poor judgment are always subject to being scammed. Sad to see, but it happens.
But this is a scam that would not be possible without the state of New York. It's not only allowing it, it's benefiting from it, as evidenced by the NYC government Marshall who made 1.7 million dollars in finder's fees.
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 12/5/18 at 4:38 pm to
It would also not be possible without a desperate borrower. Never trust a large bureaucracy to protect you from your mistakes, they just don't know you well enough even if they were inclined to try.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35236 posts
Posted on 12/5/18 at 4:39 pm to
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they signed for the rates and for the declarations.
They were making daily payments. But of course, requiring daily payments means there is an increased likelihood of a processing issue, which happened once with the couple in the story where one payment was accidently stopped by the bank.

And even the confessions can be legally enforceable to the point where the courts don’t even look whether the suit itself is justified, let alone the request to freeze assets. Not to mention, if that’s not enforceable in one’s own state, how can one expect to reasonably obtain legal advice for a completely different jurisdiction?

And the whole idea that giving people money, and setting interest rates and repayment schedules just like a loan, but calling it a cash advance somehow makes it not a loan, is ridiculous. Luckily one judge figures that out.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35236 posts
Posted on 12/5/18 at 4:43 pm to
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It would also not be possible without a desperate borrower. Never trust a large bureaucracy to protect you from your mistakes, they just don't know you well enough even if they were inclined to try.
I don’t expect the large bureaucracy to protect them from a scam. I do expect them to not facilitate it though. That’s the problem. The scam wouldn’t be much of a scam without the government in this case.

Besides there is a big difference between a desperate person borrowing money at a high rate and not being able to pay it back than what is happening here.
This post was edited on 12/5/18 at 4:46 pm
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20362 posts
Posted on 12/5/18 at 4:56 pm to
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They had borrowed $36,762 from a company called ABC Merchant Solutions LLC


I'm not going to read the link. There's a ton of scams out there, the states certainly should be doing everything possible to prevent them. But it also sounds like these people were not very smart, desperate, and got involved with a very sketchy lender.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35236 posts
Posted on 12/5/18 at 5:09 pm to
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I'm not going to read the link. There's a ton of scams out there, the states certainly should be doing everything possible to prevent them. But it also sounds like these people were not very smart, desperate, and got involved with a very sketchy lender.
They did. But it’s one thing for the government to prevent scams, it’s another to participate in it:
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The Duncans’ bank records show that Yellowstone had continued to get its daily $800 even after going to court. The company’s sworn statement also inflated the size of the couple’s debt. But by the time Dowd found the case, it was already over. A clerk had approved the judgment less than a day after Yellowstone’s lawyer asked for it. No proof was demanded, no judge was involved, and the Duncans didn’t have a chance to present their side in court.
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 12/5/18 at 5:16 pm to
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Besides there is a big difference between a desperate person borrowing money at a high rate and not being able to pay it back than what is happening here.


Not really. It's a very thin line.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35236 posts
Posted on 12/5/18 at 6:02 pm to
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Not really. It's a very thin line.
Well if there wasn’t much of a difference then there wouldn’t even be a story to report on. Lending money with a 63% return every 75 days is one thing. It’s a lot of risk but a lot of reward. Lending that money to get that reward with that risk, and then making up risk (and straight up lying on top of that) to use the government to guarantee a an even greater reward is nothing like that. It’s government-endorsed fraud.
Posted by Omada
Member since Jun 2015
692 posts
Posted on 12/5/18 at 6:42 pm to
For those of you wanting an explanation of the issue without reading the article:

The article is about merchant cash advances, which, according to government, are different from loans and therefore not under the same scrutiny as conventional loans. See this LINK from May 2017; a federal judge in New York (you'll see why I bolded this in a bit) along with the New York State Supreme Court decided that merchant cash advances are actually purchased claims of the borrowing business's future revenue.

MCA existed before the financial crisis but expanded during the crisis when banks stopped lending and after when banks established stricter lending requirements. MCA companies "lend" (but not according to NY) at interest rates that can be several hundred percent. Payments are made daily or weekly. To make sure they get their money, MCA companies have borrowers sign a confession of judgment which states that if the lender goes to court over the agreement, the borrower always loses; a judge doesn't even have to be involved, just a clerk. Confessions of judgment have been banned in some US states, and the feds made them illegal for consumer loans. The state of New York allows them for business loans though.

Well, the MCA companies weren't content with 300%+ interest rates and daily payments, so some, if not all, have taken it a step further and are using the confessions of judgment to get more money faster. The lender will claim that the borrower missed a payment (even if that isn't true), sends the confession to certain county clerks in New York that are friendly to the MCA companies' actions, and the clerk rubber-stamps a judgment. Then the lender goes to the New York City Marshals, who can demand the money from out-of-state borrowers so long as the borrower's bank has an office in the city, and the bank hands over everything that would've been owed to the lender plus extra fees. The NYC marshal get a 5% fee for all money recovered. The marshal listed in the article cleared $1.7 million after expenses last year. NYC gets a small percent of the marshal's money, the bank gets a processing fee, the county clerk's office gets $40, and the NY state court gets a couple hundred bucks. So multiple levels of NY government are getting paid for playing along.

The only way for borrowers to fight back is to go to NY. But many NY judges, such as the ones from the link above, view that the debtors waived their rights when signing the confession. So the MCA companies have little legal threat and have been known to commit forgery to use the confessions. Evidence of forgery has been presented in court, but the MCA companies apparently received no punishment; they simply quit hounding the borrowers.

The article only focuses on the MCA company Yellowstone Capital, which was started by David Glass. Mr. Glass and Yellowstone were the first to use confessions of judgment. Mr. Glass also inspired the movie "Boiler Room" while working on Wall Street and was busted by the FBI for insider trading but escaped prison by recording and incriminating his colleagues. He started Yellowstone in 2009 while still on probation.
Posted by Dead Mike
Cell Block 4
Member since Mar 2010
3375 posts
Posted on 12/5/18 at 7:38 pm to
Man, this stuff is gross. I can’t personally imagine responding to one of those spam fax offers of financing, or a financing offer from a telemarketer, but the people taking it at face value (and who previously had their optimism kept in check by the traditional lending system) are getting screwed.

Imagine that you’re a cable subscriber, and all they have to do is tell the city that you missed a payment and they barge in and rip the electrical wiring out of your walls a few hours later because you signed some generic form that the salesperson glossed over.
Posted by Omada
Member since Jun 2015
692 posts
Posted on 12/5/18 at 7:55 pm to
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Imagine that you’re a cable subscriber, and all they have to do is tell the city that you missed a payment
And the cable company wouldn't have to go to your city and your state to sign off on it, just one that is willing to play ball.

I definitely think people have a point when they say that the borrowers should have done their homework, etc. The main issue though is abuse of the legal system while multiple levels of NY government and possibly your own bank are happy to help screw you with the attitude of "doesn't matter, got paid."
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35236 posts
Posted on 12/5/18 at 8:49 pm to
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I definitely think people have a point when they say that the borrowers should have done their homework, etc. The main issue though is abuse of the legal system while multiple levels of NY government and possibly your own bank are happy to help screw you with the attitude of "doesn't matter, got paid."
Agreed. But I don’t think the “should have done their homework” is fair when there was nothing to study up on at the time.

I’m not sure how “confessions of judgement” are enforceable unless they address the specific situations that could result in a suit, so they know what they’re confessing to.

And even then, up until this article, I would have assumed that the court would actually consider the evidence to determine whether a suit is valid before even allowing the confession to be considered, which would disincentivize suits like in the OP.

It’s one thing for the legal language and courts to protect the lenders from the borrowers. A one sided legal protection is questionable enough, but this goes way beyond protection: the courts are outright doing the bidding for the lenders unconditionally and the truth is irrelevant.

This is just a microcosm of the problems with government. It pretends to care about its citizens, and uses that to justify over-regulating banking, and then this allows for sleazy businesses to fill the void the banks have been over-regulated out of.
And then the government not only allows them to do things much worse than what they were protecting citizens from in banking, it actively facilitates the practices.
Posted by Omada
Member since Jun 2015
692 posts
Posted on 12/5/18 at 9:42 pm to
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I’m not sure how “confessions of judgement” are enforceable unless they address the specific situations that could result in a suit, so they know what they’re confessing to.
It reminds me of something cell providers did (and may still do). Part of their contract to provide service stated that the user was signing away their right to sue and be part of a class action lawsuit.

On the other hand, prenups aren't necessarily legally binding; judges can throw them out. And family court isn't always a shining example of justice, either. So I agree with your point about government pretending to care about its citizens but acting in ways that governments benefit at the expense of citizens.

Not trying to start a big political discussion, though.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35236 posts
Posted on 12/5/18 at 10:30 pm to
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It reminds me of something cell providers did (and may still do). Part of their contract to provide service stated that the user was signing away their right to sue and be part of a class action lawsuit.
Yeah. I think the Erin Brockvich movie is based on something similar and showed that there are loopholes to those policies at least.

But regardless not being able to bring a suit is a lot different than not being able to defend oneself against a suit, even if it’s just to show that the claims are false.
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On the other hand, prenups aren't necessarily legally binding; judges can throw them out.
And similar to that m, one judge began ruling that since these advances functioned exactly like a loan, then calling them something else doesn’t make it not a loan. But then they just stopped filing in that court.

I’m not one that thinks people need protection from their own poor decisions. That being said, protecting people from others doing harm, is quite different. And they’re not only NOT doing that, they’re helping the harmers.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20362 posts
Posted on 12/6/18 at 4:44 am to
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And similar to that m, one judge began ruling that since these advances functioned exactly like a loan, then calling them something else doesn’t make it not a loan. But then they just stopped filing in that court.


I agree 100%, but to play devil's advocate here on the government side and the companies that give the loans. They are making a new rule, basically the Fed Gov said you can't do loans like these, some entrepreneur's came up with ways around that.

Again, the consumers likely knew this was "not a loan". Therefore the lack of government assistance through the court system. They chose this particular form of funding why? Likely it was their only option.

The consumers in the OP signed up for $800/ day payback? Is that right? That's sketchy as frick! Why? Most likely, because they were desperate AND again it was their only option.

So this bankrupts them absolutely, it was a horrible decision and they likely lost a ton of money. But still given all of that, my guess is they are likely bankrupt either way. My guess is while this is a shady situation and should be illegal all around, it was again their only option to get some capital for their business.

Common sense says if this is your only option, its actually NOT an actual option. Capitalism says let idiots be idiots.
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