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Tesla short sellers have lost $8.3B in 2020 YTD

Posted on 2/3/20 at 3:20 pm
Posted by Street Hawk
Member since Nov 2014
3459 posts
Posted on 2/3/20 at 3:20 pm
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Tesla short-sellers, or traders betting that the Elon Musk-led automaker's shares will decline, are feeling the heat Monday.

Short-seller mark-to-market losses reached $2.5 billion in just one day as Tesla's stock surged to new highs, according to a Monday note from Ihor Dusaniwsky, managing director of predictive analytics at financial-analytics firm S3 Partners. At one point, the stock traded up 20%, the biggest one-day gain for the equity since 2013, according to Bloomberg data.

That brings the 2020 year-to-date mark-to-market losses for Tesla short-sellers to $8.31 billion, according to S3 data. That's nearly three times greater than short-seller losses in 2019, which were about $2.9 billion mark-to-market at the year end.
As short-seller losses mount, all eyes are watching for a dramatic "short squeeze," which is when a stock gains so rapidly that traders betting against it are forced to cover short positions, sometimes sending the stock price even higher.

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Posted by DVinBR
Member since Jan 2013
12940 posts
Posted on 2/3/20 at 3:41 pm to
tesla is turning into bitcoin at the rate it's going
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110576 posts
Posted on 2/3/20 at 7:29 pm to
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tesla is turning into bitcoin at the rate it's going
This is insane. It has to hit a wall and free fall back to a more realistic amount, right?
Posted by southernelite
Dallas
Member since Sep 2009
53140 posts
Posted on 2/3/20 at 7:48 pm to
It was a different circumstance, but Volkswagen's short squeeze in 2008 was pretty spectacular.

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Posted by LSUtoOmaha
Nashville
Member since Apr 2004
26573 posts
Posted on 2/3/20 at 8:00 pm to
Tesla short sellers as a whole have been one of those most arrogant groups I have seen. Markets have a tendency to humble the arrogant.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54752 posts
Posted on 2/3/20 at 8:40 pm to
Never underestimate the stupidity of the investor...nothing about Tesla makes sense.
Posted by oklahogjr
Gold Membership
Member since Jan 2010
36746 posts
Posted on 2/3/20 at 9:11 pm to
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Never underestimate the stupidity of the investor...nothing about Tesla makes sense.

i refused to buy tesla because the fundamentals font make sense at all.

waith that said the market has stayed irrational much longer than i could solvent so i will just sit on sideline.

Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54752 posts
Posted on 2/3/20 at 9:19 pm to
I can’t remember who/where, but a respected investor said as a rule he doesn’t short frauds....Tesla if it isn’t is borderline.
Posted by LEASTBAY
Member since Aug 2007
14256 posts
Posted on 2/3/20 at 10:02 pm to
At least they are making real products. Look at spce virgin galactic.
Posted by TigerDeBaiter
Member since Dec 2010
10254 posts
Posted on 2/3/20 at 11:26 pm to
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can’t remember who/where, but a respected investor said as a rule he doesn’t short frauds....Tesla if it isn’t is borderline.


Maybe Bill Ackman... After he lost his arse shorting Herbalife. this feels similar in that there seems to be competing positions on Wall Street duking it out, without regard to the actual company and financials. It doesn’t help the shorts that musk has a mass of lemmings willing to buy at any price because it’s “cool” and going up forever. Simply spectacular.
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4078 posts
Posted on 2/4/20 at 7:27 am to
Who are the top crash test dummies who’ve remained short TSLA? Einhorn and Chanos?
Posted by ynlvr
Rocket City
Member since Feb 2009
4583 posts
Posted on 2/4/20 at 7:46 am to
Short position gets attractive as price approaches $1,000. Just don’t think I have the guts to go in, or the wisdom to know when to get out
Posted by PUB
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2017
18080 posts
Posted on 2/4/20 at 9:21 am to
Almost as bad as anybody that owns silver
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4078 posts
Posted on 2/4/20 at 9:24 am to
While I *might* make an option play (short call spreads) if it gets up there and REALLY shows signs of toppiness, but I wouldn’t short this thing. Way too capital intensive for us mere mortals, plus the costs and fees are prohibitively expensive.
Posted by leoj
Member since Nov 2010
3106 posts
Posted on 2/4/20 at 11:04 am to
Einhorn is mostly out of his short position. Change possibly.

If you are short this thing right now you deserve everything that’s happened to you.
Posted by LSUtoOmaha
Nashville
Member since Apr 2004
26573 posts
Posted on 2/4/20 at 11:14 am to
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If you are short this thing right now you deserve everything that’s happened to you.


Agreed
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54752 posts
Posted on 2/4/20 at 11:15 am to
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without regard to the actual company and financials.


I think that applies more to the stocks meteoric rise than anything else.
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