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Selling vs Renting House
Posted on 4/2/18 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 4/2/18 at 2:37 pm
Just bought and moved my family into a new house as we are expecting a third child, needed more space. Currently have my previous home listed for sale, have had some good bites and a ton of showings but ultimately haven't sold. Price is probably a little high, and we are aware of this. If I don't have an immediate need for the money from the sale of the old home, what are the pros/cons of renting this house out for a few years to build a bit more equity in it and trying to sell in a few years. Have no experience with rentals but have read on this board and a few other sites that a lot of people think it is a great way to build wealth. House is in Lakeview/New Orleans, mortgage/insurance/taxes is about 2050/month and I have several people who are willing to rent for 2200/month. Thanks in advance.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 2:55 pm to Saint5446
I dont see a problem with it. I'm not really in the rental space, but if your meeting your requirements and the property is appreciating, I think you'll be fine.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 2:55 pm to Saint5446
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mortgage/insurance/taxes is about 2050/month
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rent for 2200/month
That’s a no for me, dog.
But if you’re stuck with the house, it’s better than having two mortgages. The problem is that being a landlord is a pain in the arse. You will experience maintenance, repairs, and bullshite you weren’t expecting. You’ll have to pay taxes on that $2200/month so the income is barely noticeable. Your tenants might seem great at first but then could stink up the house making it harder and more expensive to sell a year from now.
How much equity is in the home? How terrible would it really be to accept a low offer?
Posted on 4/2/18 at 3:46 pm to Saint5446
I asked a similar question on here a few weeks ago.
Here's the thread.
The major factor for me deciding against it was the Section 121 Exclusion.
Basically, capital gain taxes are excluded on up to $250K gain on the sale of your primary home ($500K if filing jointly), but you have to sell within 3 years of moving out (its a little more complicated than that, but that is the TLDR version).
Obviously it depends on the specifics of your situation, but for me, even optimistic numbers did not justify passing up that tax-free gain.
Here's the thread.
The major factor for me deciding against it was the Section 121 Exclusion.
Basically, capital gain taxes are excluded on up to $250K gain on the sale of your primary home ($500K if filing jointly), but you have to sell within 3 years of moving out (its a little more complicated than that, but that is the TLDR version).
Obviously it depends on the specifics of your situation, but for me, even optimistic numbers did not justify passing up that tax-free gain.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 3:58 pm to StringedInstruments
I'll second the no-
Keep in mind that your property taxes will likely double (if your new house is in the same county and you do things the right way) because you will be losing your homestead exemption. Just not enough cash flow to justify.
Keep in mind that your property taxes will likely double (if your new house is in the same county and you do things the right way) because you will be losing your homestead exemption. Just not enough cash flow to justify.
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Posted on 4/2/18 at 3:58 pm to Saint5446
Before you do anything else, get a quote on switching that owner-occupied homeowner's insurance into a commercial policy (because you're renting). This might change the numbers dramatically.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 6:23 pm to AUjim
I'll third the no.
There's not enough margin there to justify the debt risk. I wouldn't look twice at this deal.
There's not enough margin there to justify the debt risk. I wouldn't look twice at this deal.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 6:35 pm to Saint5446
No way I'd rent in that scenario with the little net cash flow.
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Posted on 4/2/18 at 7:21 pm to Saint5446
Only reason to consider this given the numbers is if you are close to having it paid off.
Insurance won’t be too bad for landlord policy but it is true you will lose exemption and taxes will be higher. All in you are looking at an extra 1400+ per year just with those 2 variables.
Insurance won’t be too bad for landlord policy but it is true you will lose exemption and taxes will be higher. All in you are looking at an extra 1400+ per year just with those 2 variables.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 8:30 pm to Saint5446
You shouldn't count your mortgage principal as an expense. A $200 cash flow turns into $700-$900 cash flow when you consider principal.
Let's say you are netting 7000 a year. How much equity do you have in the house? If it's $50,000, you're making a 14% return, not too bad. If it's 100k , a 7% return, meh... if you take out a home-equity loan to further invest, and or have little equity in the house, you're basically making money from someone else's money, all profit.
So as long as you don't have trouble getting another loan, you should definitely consider doing it. That being said I do think that New Orleans real estate is at its highest, and is a higher risk. Try it out, and if it doesn't work for you you can always sell it. It's a easy transition, since you already have the property in your name.
I guess you will always have some equity in the house. You can't usually get a home equity loan for more than 80%. Your max return will be on 20% of your equity.
Let's say you are netting 7000 a year. How much equity do you have in the house? If it's $50,000, you're making a 14% return, not too bad. If it's 100k , a 7% return, meh... if you take out a home-equity loan to further invest, and or have little equity in the house, you're basically making money from someone else's money, all profit.
So as long as you don't have trouble getting another loan, you should definitely consider doing it. That being said I do think that New Orleans real estate is at its highest, and is a higher risk. Try it out, and if it doesn't work for you you can always sell it. It's a easy transition, since you already have the property in your name.
I guess you will always have some equity in the house. You can't usually get a home equity loan for more than 80%. Your max return will be on 20% of your equity.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 9:05 pm to Rust Cohle
Have right about 20% equity Rust Cohle. Was thinking about it exactly the way you laid it out. Was maybe going to take a HELOC on it for anything that would pop up. House is about 7 years old and I’ve had it for 3 years. The equity into it would be about 8000/year and the thought was to let it rent for about 3-5 years and then revisit selling. However after reading some perspectives here I’m not sure it’s worth it.
This post was edited on 4/2/18 at 9:55 pm
Posted on 4/2/18 at 11:05 pm to Saint5446
Are you selling your house by owner or with an agent? I’m surprised you’re having a tough time selling it although if you want top dollar you might have better luck during the summer.
Posted on 4/3/18 at 2:03 pm to Saint5446
Whatever equity you build over time by renting will be wiped out in all of the repairs and remodels it will take to sell in the future after tenants destroy it.
Right now is a sellers market, not the time to sit on it. Now is selling time.
Right now is a sellers market, not the time to sit on it. Now is selling time.
Posted on 4/3/18 at 6:55 pm to Saint5446
You need to get about 500 more than your mortgage. Once taxes are paid which can be offset by some expenses you will only have about $350-400. That would be the bare minimum I would want to make a month to deal with any kind of issues of renting a house.
Posted on 4/4/18 at 5:41 pm to Saint5446
What was described is not the correct way to measure cash flow. Once all reasonable expenses and costs (the principal portion of the mortgage payment is still a cost because you don't have the option of not paying it and even if you did, it is not a liquid asset that is accessible) are factored in, this is not a good *income producing* deal by any measure. If you had a sufficient cash reserve and weren't talking about tapping into yet more debt to satisfy ongoing expenses and/or costs, I might say that it's an OK deal if the heat of the market might yield something good when you did sell it. But in this case, without a cash reserve AND not having a real positive cash flow which would allow you to build a reserve, all it would take is a couple of months of not having a tenant and you'd be four grand plus in the hole.
Here's a link that might help you. I mean no offense to anyone else trying to help. But in thirty plus years of real estate investing, that's not a line of reasoning for cash flow that I've ever seen before.
Real Estate Cash Flow Overview
Here's a link that might help you. I mean no offense to anyone else trying to help. But in thirty plus years of real estate investing, that's not a line of reasoning for cash flow that I've ever seen before.
Real Estate Cash Flow Overview
This post was edited on 4/4/18 at 5:43 pm
Posted on 4/5/18 at 9:01 am to Jag_Warrior
Yea, cash flow was a poor choice of term. Maybe ROI would be better. And also a good point of having an extended vacancy causing troubles if you can't afford a second note. And having easy liquidity to your earnings is important too. It would suck to have to pay that during a vacancy, but a large portion of it would go to equity. People dream about a $10,000 raise from their job, this is near the same to me, and could be the start of multiple rentals, and really change your life. Yes, maybe you can find a more efficient use of your money in real estate in your area, but nothing will be more easier than rentting out what you already have. Many people who start in real estate investing will use a loan, and a large portion of the returns will go back to the loan. The properties I have are low income, all cash flow, and will never appreciate more than inflation.
Some people invest in speculation, and appreciation. Some may be happy with a $5000 yearly cash flow, and others are happy with little cash flow but in five years hope to sell for $100,000 more. Depends on your goals, short term or long term.
Some people invest in speculation, and appreciation. Some may be happy with a $5000 yearly cash flow, and others are happy with little cash flow but in five years hope to sell for $100,000 more. Depends on your goals, short term or long term.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 9:19 am to Jag_Warrior
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Jag_Warrior
Well said. I think a rental should be self-sustaining. The income produced on it should be enough to cover unexpected expenses. If you're netting $200 per month after only factoring in the mortgage payment, you could be in a world of hurt should a pipe burst, a hail storm ravages the roof, the HVAC fails, etc. And even with insurance covering some things, if you're having to tap into your personal cash to cover the deductible, it's a losing situation. Add in regular, routine maintenance, HOA fees, association fees, etc., and the picture gets even worse.
Worst yet, you've maybe forfeited the capital gain exclusion on your taxes if it's your personal home you converted to a rental.
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