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QUAD! Great turn around!

Posted on 2/18/20 at 8:00 pm
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53409 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 8:00 pm
Quad collapsed over the past 2 years. In fact, in the 3rd quarter, it dropped to below 4 from the 2018 $30 level.

I purchased at 4.36. It's bounced up to 5, and earnings came out tonight!

The est was .12, the actual .38, and the stock has jumped 28%. It's now up to 6.50 and will continue it's dividend of 12.3%


I hope for a dip and to take a larger position tomorrow.

Posted by TheWalrus
Member since Dec 2012
40335 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 9:28 pm to
I’ve seen better stocks on the quad
Posted by Mr.Perfect
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2013
17438 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 9:54 pm to
Negative free cash flow and 12% yield??!??



Have fun buddy
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35236 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 10:13 pm to
I’m generally curious about this investment strategy. I see a stock that over the last year has dropped nearly 56% with a dividend payout that was recently cut in half ($0.30 per share per quarter to $0.15). And despite a huge beat bottom line and a beat on the top line, and a major improvement from the rest of year, I see a stock whose EPS has dropped from $0.53 a year earlier to $0.38 on revenue that has dropped from $1.17 to $1.07 billion.

Maybe I’m wrong with my approach, but if I’m looking at dividend stocks, I’m looking for both the relative short term (one year) and long term (5 year) history:

1. Price appreciation, or at the very least, the lack of depreciation.
2. Increasing dividend payout, or at the very least, a payout that doesn’t decrease.
3. If available, a positive future outlook, or at the best least, not a negative outlook from analysts.

And in regards to the first two points, this is why find dividend yields to be deceiving since they can be a result of poor performance (e.g., stock whose price has dropped significantly), and/or unsustainable (e.g., high payout ratios, sometimes exceeding 100%). As a result, I’ve rarely, if ever, found super high dividend yielding stocks (10% or higher) to be worthwhile as an investment for the future.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53409 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 10:21 pm to
- reported fourth-quarter net income of $7.5 million, after reporting a loss in the same period a year earlier.

- Exceeded revised 2019 guidance for net sales, Adjusted EBITDA and Free Cash Flow.

- Reduced Debt Leverage Ratio to 3.1x in the fourth quarter.

- Expands cost reduction program to $100 million, to be fully realized in 2020.

- Divested Omaha, Neb., packaging plant for $41 million as part of ongoing efforts to optimize its product portfolio.

sold dead weight.

quote:

Quad/Graphics, Inc. (NYSE: QUAD) ("Quad" or the "Company"), a leading marketing solutions partner, announced today that it has reached a definitive agreement to sell its Omaha packaging plant for $40 million to Graphic Packaging International (NYSE: GPK ) ("Graphic Packaging"), a leading provider of packaging solutions to food, beverage, foodservice, and other consumer products companies. The transaction is expected to close on or about January 31, 2020, and Quad will use proceeds from the sale to reduce debt.






Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35236 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 11:05 pm to
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reported fourth-quarter net income of $7.5 million, after reporting a loss in the same period a year earlier.

- Exceeded revised 2019 guidance for net sales, Adjusted EBITDA and Free Cash Flow.
And this is a prime example that upon (not iPod ) further inspection, it’s really hard to determine exactly what exactly their income and cash flow figures mean and how they come to their calculations.

For example, normally the reported EPS is close to or exactly the same as EPS reported on the income statements, using Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (GAAP; typically net income/# of shares outstanding).

In the case of QUAD, in Q3 their net income was approximately -126,500,000 with approximately 50,100,000 shares outstanding. So their EPS was -$2.52; however, their non-GAAP adjustments resulted in a reported EPS of $0.10.

I understand that some sectors use different financial calculations and metrics that are common across the sector that deviate a bit from GAAP, and subtle adjustments from company to company happen as well, but I have a hard time getting a loss of $2.52 to a profit of $0.10 without it coming off as deceiving.

Here is an explanation of their adjusted EPS figure:
quote:

Adjusted Diluted Earnings (Loss) Per Share is defined as earnings (loss) from continuing operations before income taxes and equity in (earnings) loss of unconsolidated entity excluding restructuring, impairment and transaction-related charges, employee stock ownership plan contributions, loss (gain) on debt extinguishment, and adjusted for income tax expense at a normalized tax rate, divided by diluted weighted average number of common shares outstanding.
Here is their adjusted EBIDTA explanation
quote:

Adjusted EBITDA is defined as net earnings (loss) attributable to Quad common shareholders excluding interest expense, income tax expense (benefit), depreciation and amortization, restructuring, impairment and transaction-related charges, (loss) earnings from discontinued operations, net of tax, net pension income, employee stock ownership plan contributions, loss (gain) on debt extinguishment, equity in (earnings) loss of unconsolidated entity, the Adjusted EBITDA for unconsolidated equity method investments (calculated in a consistent manner with the calculation for Quad) and net earnings
Here is their free cash flow explanation
quote:

Free Cash Flow is defined as net cash provided by operating activities less purchases of property, plant and equipment, plus LSC-related payments primarily related to incremental interest payments associated with the 2019 amended debt refinancing and transaction-related costs.
And here is their debt leverage explanation
quote:

Debt Leverage Ratio is defined as total debt and finance lease obligations divided by the last twelve months of Adjusted EBITDA.
Only its free cash flow seems to be consistent with the typical calculation of FCF. And after looking deeper. that was true for 2018, but their adjustments resulted in a $61 million increase from the traditional FCF calculations.

And when using these adjusted measures, their 2020 finance is for lower adjusted EBIDTA ($285 to $315 million compared to $335 million in 2019) and similar, if not a little bit higher FCF ($100 to $130 million compared to $106 million in 2019). Both represent considerable deceases from 2018 ($428 million adjusted EBIDTA; $164 million FCF) even at the very top end of their projections.
This post was edited on 2/19/20 at 12:00 am
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53409 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 11:34 pm to
quote:

I’m generally curious about this investment strategy. I see a stock that over the last year has dropped nearly 56% with a dividend payout that was recently cut in half ($0.30 per share per quarter to $0.15). And despite a huge beat bottom line and a beat on the top line, and a major improvement from the rest of year, I see a stock whose EPS has dropped from $0.53 a year earlier to $0.38 on revenue that has dropped from $1.17 to $1.07 billion.



And everybody should look at all of those things. It's smart. At the same time, let's look at what the company is doing to correct the ship.


quote:

Maybe I’m wrong with my approach, but if I’m looking at dividend stocks, I’m looking for both the relative short term (one year) and long term (5 year) history:


Nothing wrong with that either, but when I purchased (for example) USA(of the top of my head) it was due to an over all picture. And due to that, I did not miss an 9 year run up with an 9.8% divi. Why, because the chart would have show a massive drop from the past 5 years and 1 year.

quote:

And in regards to the first two points, this is why find dividend yields to be deceiving since they can be a result of poor performance (e.g., stock whose price has dropped significantly), and/or unsustainable (e.g., high payout ratios, sometimes exceeding 100%).


Some do and you have to weed through them like JMLP, 15%. What's the point in a 15% divi with it's dropped every year for 10 years?


Here is one I'm considering....WPG. I'm watching them and have been for months. I've not purchased because of your #3. Also because they have not announced their divi. I expect them to either drop it, or cut it. If they drop it, I will not purchase. If the cut it and the changes made have a positive result, I may purchase.

Why? Beat down REIT company who owns a lot of malls. Now you are going to say brick and mortar is dead. I say, hear what they are doing and if the plan is viable, the company reduces debt, and the outlook is ok, purchase. Set your stop loss and watch.




Now my purchase of QUAD had little to do with the Divi. It had to do with the price point and potential gains over the years.


Also, keep in mind, I divide my investments up. These fall into my higher risk and I limit my purchases and sell to recoup my investment with hopes of free shares. I do that several ways:

- I will pull all of my investment out of QUAD and simply operate on the extra shares from the increased price. My risk... zero.

- I do it with options. I purchased MSFT calls @ 200 strike 3/20 for .13. At .30 I sold 50% and my money is off the table. I sold the rest at $2.35 on Feb 10th. purchased again at 1.1 and now holding...

- AMD. Purchased debit spreads. As soon as I could pull my money off the table, I did. Still have my april spreads that if they went to zero, I will have lost nothing.

I do it the same with high risk. I actually OWN shares in PER. The highest risk stock I own in fact. I purchased in Dec... $.86 I sold Feb 6th at $1.09. I did not wait for the ex divi date. I sold 75% of the shares because it equaled my investment. The remaining shares are mine and I don't care if it goes all the way to zero. But if it grows slowly over 10 years @ 1% and keeps the divi of 30%, That will give me a yearly divi of 9K and the amount of shares will equal about 37K.


Make sense?




Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53409 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 11:40 pm to
quote:

And this is a prime example that iPod further inspection, it’s really hard to determine exactly what exactly their income and cash flow figures mean and how they come to their calculations.


I get it. And I will know more after the conference call tomorrow at 8 AM.


It's like the automation they invested into. It's going against their bottom lines, but we both know that they are saving money long term.




Posted by Mr.Perfect
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2013
17438 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 7:20 am to
Successful companies don’t pay a dividend when they need cash
Posted by Kreg Jennings
Parts Unknown
Member since Aug 2007
3281 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 12:54 pm to
Forgot I was on the Money Board for a second...and expected a thread on improved babes in LSU’s quad.
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