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Pause 401(k) to payoff rental?
Posted on 8/28/20 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 8/28/20 at 3:01 pm
Looking for some advice from the Pros. We have a rental with a fair amount of equity in it that cash flows + every month. I'll admit, we've only been renting it for around 16 months but it has been a positive experience thus far. We use a property management company which charges a small fee but eliminates most of the headache. The house is in great area and is steadily increasing in value, so we definitely want to hold onto it long-term.
I have a chunk of cash that I was wanting to use as a down payment on a 2'nd rental. Once Covid hit I got a little concerned and decided to hold onto the cash until things settled down a bit. Now that work is picking back up, I'm thinking of using the cash to pay down the current rental, and really leaning into the balance to pay it off quickly. It is on a 15 year mtg (3.5%) with approximately 12 years left if I only pay minimum. If I throw this cash at it and cut my 401k *contributions* in half, I should be able to pay it off in 4.5 years. I currently put in 10% to 401k, company match isn't anything to brag about so I wouldn't be missing out on much there. I'm 32 years old, so I've got plenty of working years to make up the 4.5 years of minimal contributions.
What am I overlooking here?
Thanks
I have a chunk of cash that I was wanting to use as a down payment on a 2'nd rental. Once Covid hit I got a little concerned and decided to hold onto the cash until things settled down a bit. Now that work is picking back up, I'm thinking of using the cash to pay down the current rental, and really leaning into the balance to pay it off quickly. It is on a 15 year mtg (3.5%) with approximately 12 years left if I only pay minimum. If I throw this cash at it and cut my 401k *contributions* in half, I should be able to pay it off in 4.5 years. I currently put in 10% to 401k, company match isn't anything to brag about so I wouldn't be missing out on much there. I'm 32 years old, so I've got plenty of working years to make up the 4.5 years of minimal contributions.
What am I overlooking here?
Thanks
This post was edited on 8/28/20 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 8/28/20 at 3:03 pm to Jblac15
I wouldn’t, money is cheap currently, better to use for original plan. You also get a deduction for the interest against the rental income, it’s basically same as inflation.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 3:16 pm to Jblac15
If you're trying to grow your rental portfolio, then do not pay it off. Use leverage to buy more.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 3:21 pm to Jblac15
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What am I overlooking here?
Could be underthinking. With the economy & market still recovering, if you stop making contributions you will miss the earning potential during this recovery phase.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 4:43 pm to eng08
I should have been more specific on our original plan with the rental. The whole idea was to keep until paid for, then use the rent $$$ to double-up on our current mortgage to pay off quickly. Or, if nothing else use the rent $$$ to make our regular mortgage payment, thus “eliminating” that bill from our normal monthly outflow. I don’t know that we want to be landlords long-term. Rent $$$ is greater than current mortgage payment.
I understand there is opportunity cost in not contributing to the 401k during this period, but not sure if it outweighs my inner Dave Ramsey voice telling me to get this paid off ASAP.
I understand there is opportunity cost in not contributing to the 401k during this period, but not sure if it outweighs my inner Dave Ramsey voice telling me to get this paid off ASAP.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 4:44 pm to Jblac15
Absolutely pay it off. You are still young enough that you can start maxing your 401k when you pay it off and probably not miss a beat. You will sleep better at nite knowing the rental is paid off and look at all the equity you will have. Absolutely pay it off sooner.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 5:24 pm to Jblac15
is the rent check enough to cover the rental mortgage payment and the cost of the management company? If so I’d just let it ride
Posted on 8/28/20 at 8:34 pm to Jblac15
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my inner Dave Ramsey voice
There's a big difference between paying of credit cards and being responsible with your money and having a low interest loan for an investment property.
Max your retirement savings as much as possible now. You never know what the future holds and there could be a time when you really HAVE to scale back your retirement savings.
Your retirement account should easily outperform the interest rate you're paying on the mortgage, plus you get the bonus of your money compounding. Then there's also the aforementioned opportunity cost of getting money into the market over the next several months.
Don't steal from yourself is my advice.
Dave Ramsey does a great job of helping people manage money, but I think he's gets people totally freaked out by having any debt. If you're smart, and it seems like you are, there's nothing wrong with some low interest debt especially if it's on an appreciable asset and the money you held on to is earning more than the debt is costing you.
This is really a no-brainer to me. You say you're only 32 and have years to make up for missed savings, but I don't think you can ever make up for missed years when it comes to savings.
On the other hand, you're only 32 and have an income property that pays for itself plus offers profits and has equity. If the debt becomes too much for you to handle, just sell the property, or refinance the loan to something more manageable.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 8:52 pm to Jblac15
15 year at 3.5% and you want to pay off the loan early? Do you think the market is gonna be sub 3.5% the next 5 years? Do you think your second rental is going to yield sub 3.5% cash on cash?
The answer is hell no don't pay it off. I'd continue with minimal payments on property #1, leave the 401k alone to maintain diversification. You already did the hard part and got property #1, why stop? Appreciation, tax benefits, CASH FLOW.. Real estate is the easiest way for the everyday American to become financially independent. Don't puss out now and miss out on an opportunity to buy a quality property.
If the numbers work, there's no reason to fear leverage.
If for some reason your job and income are in serious jeopardy, I'd definitely leave the extra payments alone. Hold the cash, and let the property pay for itself.
The answer is hell no don't pay it off. I'd continue with minimal payments on property #1, leave the 401k alone to maintain diversification. You already did the hard part and got property #1, why stop? Appreciation, tax benefits, CASH FLOW.. Real estate is the easiest way for the everyday American to become financially independent. Don't puss out now and miss out on an opportunity to buy a quality property.
If the numbers work, there's no reason to fear leverage.
If for some reason your job and income are in serious jeopardy, I'd definitely leave the extra payments alone. Hold the cash, and let the property pay for itself.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 8:53 pm to whitefoot
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Max your retirement savings as much as possible now.
This is what I would advise.
Also, you indicated above that you’d be turning down some of your employer match to pay off the rental. If you do, you’re literally refusing to accept free money. I’d recommend against doing that.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 9:27 pm to dirtsandwich
"turning down some of your employer match to pay off the rental"
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That's an immediate 100% return on your investment!
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That's an immediate 100% return on your investment!
Posted on 8/28/20 at 10:08 pm to ItzMe1972
Thank you all for the input. For what it’s worth, I wouldn’t be cutting my contributions to 0. I was thinking of doing the minimum that would still get me the employer match, somewhere in the 5% range.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 10:58 pm to Jblac15
There’s not much to think about here.
There’s 2 options. The first gives you peace of mind of not having as much debt and the other gives you more money.
There’s 2 options. The first gives you peace of mind of not having as much debt and the other gives you more money.
Posted on 8/29/20 at 1:43 am to Athletix
quote:Another thing to consider is the because the interest is tax deductible, the effective interest rate is actually lower. So if he’s paying 30% in taxes that could have been deducted (federal, plus state and maybe even local depending on where he lives), his interest rate is actually more like 2.5%.
15 year at 3.5% and you want to pay off the loan early? Do you think the market is gonna be sub 3.5% the next 5 years? Do you think your second rental is going to yield sub 3.5% cash on cash?
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