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Mortgage Defaults Could Pile Up at Pace That Dwarfs 2008

Posted on 4/8/20 at 9:15 am
Posted by stout
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Posted on 4/8/20 at 9:15 am
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Mortgage lenders are preparing for the biggest wave of delinquencies in history. If the plan to buy time works, they may avert an even worse crisis: Mass foreclosures and mortgage market mayhem.

Borrowers who lost income from the coronavirus -- already a skyrocketing number, with a record 10 million new jobless claims -- can ask to skip payments for as many as 180 days at a time on federally backed mortgages, and avoid penalties and a hit to their credit scores. But it’s not a payment holiday. Eventually, they’ll have to make it all up.

As many as 30% of Americans with home loans – about 15 million households –- could stop paying if the U.S. economy remains closed through the summer or beyond, according to an estimate by Mark Zandi, chief economist for Moody’s Analytics.

“This is an unprecedented event,” said Susan Wachter, professor of real estate and finance at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. “The great financial crisis happened over a number of years. This is happening in a matter of months -- a matter of weeks.”

Meanwhile, lenders are operating in the dark, with no way of predicting the scope or duration of the pandemic or the damage it will wreak on the economy. If the virus recedes soon and the economy roars back to life, then the plan will help borrowers get back on track quickly. The greater the fallout, the harder and more expensive it will be to stave off repossessions.


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Posted by stout
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Posted on 4/8/20 at 9:16 am to
BTW, Loan modifications won't save everyone despite what banks and HUD are pushing. There is a lot more to them.

This is from a post on Reddit by a mortgage banker and explains it better than I could. It's long but worth a read.

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The forbearance process is worth further describing. So, hypothetical situation: lets say I have a mortgage serviced by Quicken (don't get excited they are private) and I just heard the CARES Act allows me to skip payments. I'm a waiter, I just got laid off, I could really use 3 months without my $2k mortgage payments. I call them, wait on hold for two hours, and then they agree to let me not make payments for the next three months - and they will send the info to sign. Great, right? Almost too good to be true.

So, here are the three outcomes of a forberance after Quicken quickly agrees to it:

1.) BY DEFAULT - From the borrower's perspective, I don't hear anything for three months. Then, in month 4, Quicken calls and says I have 4 payments, three of which are "delinquent." I now learn there are 4 payments - all due in month 4. Well, hold on I just returned to work I don't have $8k - what can I do besides YOLO FDs? Well, probably not much.

2.) Payment Plan - the next option is to resolve that past due $6k on a payment plan, if the lender agrees to this. So instead of a $2k payment, I might have a $2500 payment for a year. Now I just returned to my service industry job - I was already paycheck to paycheck, I have all sorts of other past due credit card/auto/student loan bills from being laid off, and now my mortgage is 25% higher. That's not going to work for me.

3.) Loan Modification - A loan modification is the option that everyone thinks they are getting through CARES Act by default - it extends the term of the mortgage and adds the missed payments to the end. This is not a scenario that will be provided over the phone as an immediate solution if I call Quicken and ask. It has to be applied for, I would have to qualify, and it has to be approved by the lender. It is not a trivial request, and it will not be approved lightly given the current lending environment and amount of credit risk. Plus, considering the lender has already made 3+ payments to the GSEs without one from me - they are going to want to quickly determine whether this is going to be a performing loan or a non-performing loan (more to come on this). They will want to flush out the good loans from the bad as soon as they can get past the time periods required in the CARES Act.

So, a loan modification requires a level of qualification (credit check, paystubs, etc.). As a borrower, I am then going to have to show this lender the amount of debt I've racked up paying for everything with credit cards while laid off - and how fricked my credit has gotten not paying any bills while waiting for my $1200 Starbucks allowance from the Feds.

I am a Loan Officer, as mentioned in the previous post. Half my week has been talking to past clients about forbearanaces, and most of them just want a few months of skipped payments so they can relax about the economy and have that safety net. Sure, some have lost their jobs or are on the verge of losing their jobs - in which case it makes sense, your alternative is worse. One owns three rentals I've financed and 0/3 renters can pay their rent this month.

SO MANY PEOPLE are requesting the forbearance on an elective basis that our industry experts are begging real estate professionals to properly describe to them how this works, and what they will be faced with. Servicers are quick to approve the forbearance, and the borrowers are not understanding the possible outcomes.

I have a friend I consider to be a business-minded, prudent, and intelligent individual. He called servicers for two properties, US Bank and Wells Fargo - one offered a forbearance of 3 months and the other offered 6 months. He took them, they said they'd send something for him to sign but that it was in effect. Neither made any effort whatsoever to explain to him the resulting options at the end of the forbearance. He called me to ask if it would have any adverse impact, as they had not described the process well to him.

These are call centers taking the requests, obviously they are doing what they can to get to the next call.

My company has a $110B servicing portfolio, and we got 8000 requests for forbearances IN A WEEK. Mr. Cooper (subject of my last post) has a $640B servicing portfolio.

At the end of this initial 3-6 month forbearance that lenders are required to offer, we are going to see lenders quickly decide how to handle each file. As mentioned above, they consider the account delinquent during the forbearance (although not reported to credit) - so they already have a jump on the next steps to collect past-due payments. There will likely be a flood of "performing" loans (paid on time) turning into "non-performing loans" (past-due 180+ days). If a loan becomes non-performing, the GSEs end up auctioning off the assets (mortgage notes) in blocks. These blocks are generally bought at auction by funds and securitized into non-performing loan MBSs. Of the companies that do this, there are only a few that have publicly traded entities.
Posted by wutangfinancial
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Posted on 4/8/20 at 9:20 am to
The PE backed servicers are going to have a field day with foreclosures and REO rentals.
Posted by fatboydave
Fat boy land
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Posted on 4/8/20 at 9:27 am to
Mortgages and credit cards are going to be ugly
Posted by Penn
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Posted on 4/8/20 at 9:35 am to
But think of the lives
Posted by Upperdecker
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Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 4/8/20 at 9:38 am to
But MUH V SHAPE RECOVERY
Posted by Boring
Member since Feb 2019
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Posted on 4/8/20 at 9:41 am to
So how do I profit off this? Buy foreclosed properties on the cheap? YOLO puts in lending companies?
Posted by dirtytigers
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Posted on 4/8/20 at 9:46 am to
How would this affect the housing market? Ideally I would like to buy a house this summer
Posted by stout
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Posted on 4/8/20 at 9:48 am to
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So how do I profit off this? Buy foreclosed properties on the cheap? YOLO puts in lending companies?





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How to use this info: Puts on non-bank mortgage lenders - They are going to suffer because all of their revenue comes from originating and the residual from servicing. They are going to lose the servicing revenue on a significant amount of non-performing loans, and they are going to have trouble originating loans for at least a few months. My last post included COOP, the largest publicly traded servicer - they also originate. I still like it and expect the underlying share price to continue to decline, but the premiums are outrageous right now. I like puts on any non-bank publicly-traded mortgage originating/servicing company.
Posted by jimbeam
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Posted on 4/8/20 at 9:49 am to
quote:

So how do I profit off this? Buy foreclosed properties on the cheap? YOLO puts in lending companies?
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
30522 posts
Posted on 4/8/20 at 9:53 am to
Short or buy puts on lenders, aka banks
Posted by rintintin
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Posted on 4/8/20 at 9:54 am to
I read something the other day advising REIT's as a good "virus proof" purchase right now and I just couldn't wrap my head around it with the number of unpaid rents and mortgages that are going to come from this.
Posted by stout
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Posted on 4/8/20 at 9:55 am to
quote:

How would this affect the housing market? Ideally I would like to buy a house this summer




This summer? Not too much IMO but there will be fewer buyers and potentially more inventory as people try to get out from under their mortgage and switch to renting. Rental rates will be insane BTW but there will potentially be some pullback on market pricing. There will be builders motivated to move existing spec inventory.

A year from now...greatly. It takes some time for a foreclosure to work themselves to the market and especially when you add on the delay of someone trying a loan mod program.
Posted by stout
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Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 4/8/20 at 9:57 am to
quote:

I read something the other day advising REIT's as a good "virus proof" purchase right now and I just couldn't wrap my head around it with the number of unpaid rents and mortgages that are going to come from this.


A commercial REIT will be dangerous right now unless their portfolio is one with something like Dollar General locations but one that is heavy on residential wouldn't be terrible long term IMO. There will be a lot of people that will be forced to rent eventually once foreclosures pile up.
Posted by OleWarSkuleAlum
Huntsville, AL
Member since Dec 2013
10293 posts
Posted on 4/8/20 at 10:06 am to
I’m not worried the fed will swoop in this time and save the housing market after the experiences of 2008-9. I’m 100% out of RE investing for those reasons.
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 4/8/20 at 10:06 am to
Yeah one of my colleagues sent out email on how foreclosures will rise after this. I’ll scoop up what
I can and flip them. Have to see about shorting mortgage companies.
Posted by deeprig9
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Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 4/8/20 at 10:21 am to
Suntrust auto loans are simply tacking the unpaid P/I on to the end of the loan, seems mortgages would do the same thing. People's payments wouldn't have to go higher.
Posted by touchdownjeebus
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 4/8/20 at 10:22 am to
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I’ll scoop up what I can and flip them.


Trying to flip in a soft market, flooded with foreclosures, is a nightmare. You buy with the goal of building up rental property. On the next housing boom, you sell.
Posted by boomtown143
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Member since May 2019
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Posted on 4/8/20 at 10:24 am to
quote:

Suntrust auto loans are simply tacking the unpaid P/I on to the end of the loan, seems mortgages would do the same thing. People's payments wouldn't have to go higher.


If this happens then it won't be that bad.


Tell me what I'm missing please.
This post was edited on 4/8/20 at 10:26 am
Posted by Drew Orleans
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 4/8/20 at 10:27 am to
quote:

Short or buy puts...?


Huh?
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