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Long-term Disability Insurance - Educate Me

Posted on 4/29/18 at 8:47 pm
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24118 posts
Posted on 4/29/18 at 8:47 pm
My employer provides a 50% coverage plan for 2 years are current role and then the definition of the role broadens dramatically [I think this is standard practice].

I'm looking into supplemental LT disability plans. What are the watch outs? What should I be looking for in a contract? What providers should I consider?

Pay for the inflation indexing?
Should the rate increase with age?
Target % of income that is 'normal'?

I know this is something I need to do to round out my financial house but this is the first time I've started really analyzing my options.


Posted by iknowmorethanyou
Paydirt
Member since Jul 2007
6545 posts
Posted on 4/29/18 at 9:52 pm to
Get a non-cancellable policy with a true own occupation disability definition.
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Member since Mar 2009
72360 posts
Posted on 4/30/18 at 11:07 am to
Yes rate will increase with age. I had a LTD policy for years as a employee. Now I’m back to a sole proprietorship and i also need to look into getting my own policy now
Posted by iknowmorethanyou
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Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 4/30/18 at 11:29 am to
Non-cancellable policies have fixed rates.
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 4/30/18 at 11:41 am to
I need to look into those then. It definitely went up when I was an employee. Have to see what deals I can get now.
Posted by BigErn
Member since Mar 2007
3284 posts
Posted on 4/30/18 at 4:12 pm to
Work with someone who can put it through a few different carriers. Some carriers look at occupation classes differently. Your max benefit is going to be based off of a percentage of income. There are a bunch of different riders that can be put on the policy i.e., inflation, residual disability, future increase options. Just have it all quoted so you can see the difference in cost, and take what's important to you.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24118 posts
Posted on 4/30/18 at 4:46 pm to
I hate even saying this because it reminds me of starting with monthly price when buying a car....

The quotes I have so far are about $40/month. These have inflation protection and 65% of my current take home. Is there a range I should expect for a quality LT disability plan?

The plans get more complicated over the years where the premiums go up and then the dividends offset it. It’s a strange contract structure to me because it is out one pocket and into another. I assume there is a TVM float of the payments that I may not be considering...?
This post was edited on 4/30/18 at 4:46 pm
Posted by iknowmorethanyou
Paydirt
Member since Jul 2007
6545 posts
Posted on 5/1/18 at 9:52 am to
Ask for a non-cancellable quote instead of the guaranteed renewable you have received.
Posted by BigErn
Member since Mar 2007
3284 posts
Posted on 5/1/18 at 10:05 am to
quote:

Is there a range I should expect for a quality LT disability plan?


Really just depends on a bunch of diff things. i.e, occupation, benefit, age, riders, carrier

quote:

the premiums go up and then the dividends offset it


Sounds like a northwestern quote. Is it?
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24118 posts
Posted on 5/1/18 at 11:13 am to
quote:

Sounds like a northwestern quote. Is it?



Yes, I have already told him that I want quotes from other providers as well.

It's a good friend and I'm happy to throw him a bone on this. LT disability is something I need but I need to get a lot smarter on the variables at play before making a decision.
Posted by BigErn
Member since Mar 2007
3284 posts
Posted on 5/1/18 at 11:36 am to
They quote the shite out of that increasing premium policy as opposed to their level one. They must make more off of it, or there is some incentive to convert it down the line.

Def get some other quotes, and make sure to understand the differences. Like I said, carriers price occupational classes differently. I've found, and this is nothing against your buddy, that with nw all they want to talk about is their company strength and ability to pay dividends. Not the contract itself, which is the most important part. There are some significant differences between contracts regarding things like partial disability, when calculating loss of time and loss of wages.
This post was edited on 5/1/18 at 11:43 am
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24118 posts
Posted on 5/1/18 at 1:26 pm to
Recommendations on other firms to get quotes from?

Appreciate the information
This post was edited on 5/1/18 at 1:26 pm
Posted by TigrrrDad
Member since Oct 2016
7082 posts
Posted on 5/1/18 at 11:36 pm to
Own occupation, cost of living increases, and automatic increase options. I was able to increase my benefits after I went on disability. And paying premiums out of pocket with post-tax dollars makes your benefits tax-free.
Posted by BigErn
Member since Mar 2007
3284 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 10:14 am to

Guardian, in my opinion, is the best for attorneys and drs. Standard, Ohio National, and Principal are some others worth looking at. There are also some impaired risk carriers if there are issues.
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