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Listing A Property on VRBO and AirBNB. Information Needed.

Posted on 5/7/17 at 6:54 am
Posted by OTIS2
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Posted on 5/7/17 at 6:54 am
How easy, or difficult, is this to manage? The property is a Breckenridge condo. Short term rentals are the goal. Any experiences and advice are appreciated.
Posted by VABuckeye
Naples, FL
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 5/7/17 at 7:14 am to
I have a buddy who rents his condo on St. John on VRBO. He's a doctor and has little time to mess around with it and I've never heard a complaint from him. He does have someone on the island that takes care of the local stuff.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
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Posted on 5/7/17 at 8:20 am to
You aren't local? Honestly, if you aren't local I'd probably go with a rental company. If you aren't local it's very difficult and time consuming to manage your housekeeping and you are going to need someone to check on the property besides a housekeeper usually. What if your housekeeper doesn't show up? If you aren't local a housekeeping company is usually better for that reason.

You will need a maintenance guy, someone like one of those Odd job joes guys to replace toilet flappers, unclog toilets (you'd be amazed how many dumbass women call you about this probably 2-3 a year at least), Ac filters, etc.

Rental companies charge 15-25% but they usually save you some in housekeeping, maintenance costs, etc. Believe me I'm against them if possible, but if you aren't local it's tough.

You also need to figure out bookkeeping. Paying sales tax for one property is one of the more pita things just because it just takes 30 minutes or whatever but a slow month it could be $50 only.

Vrbo and Airbnb also don't like each other so they don't work well together it's a pita to have a property on both. Not a huge one, but more so than it should be. But you should still definitely use both.

As far as making a reservation and talking to guests, both vrbo and Airbnb apps are very good for that. I usually reply to guests in literally 30 seconds at most. Vrbo has pre-saved replies and Airbnb is usually casual messages.

Now about half your guests have additional questions but you can get to those emails when you have time.
This post was edited on 5/7/17 at 8:24 am
Posted by OTIS2
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Posted on 5/7/17 at 8:29 am to
Thanks. Not local. We'll contract with a cleaning service, but I'm trying to avoid the huge management fees that are charged in that market, usually 35-40 %.
Posted by baldona
Florida
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Posted on 5/7/17 at 9:42 am to
You sure about that? 20-25% is pretty universally standard. The more competitive places have people offering 15%, 30% is not unheard of but I would get some realistic quotes once you have a property.

If you have not purchased a property yet And people told you 35-40% and you are looking at it as an investment, you may want to analyze the property as it may be one that the rental conpanies didn't think would rent very well and that's why the high quotes.
Posted by OTIS2
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Posted on 5/7/17 at 9:49 am to
Yep. The rates in that market appear high, but I've verified them. My realtor's management company charges 40%, says the rates go from 35 to 45. I do not want to pay that.
Posted by OTIS2
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Posted on 5/7/17 at 9:52 am to
The property we are pursuing has an excellent two year history on VRBO and airbnb. I intend to get the sellers data for those programs in the deal.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 5/7/17 at 10:01 am to
If that is the market rate then you are SOL unless you can find a personal connection.

I wouldn't worry as much about the percent as long as the absolute dollars make sense. You are going to change a top rate in that location so you may be able to make the Economics work even with absurd management fees.
Posted by OTIS2
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Member since Jul 2008
50057 posts
Posted on 5/7/17 at 10:08 am to
The math is excellent with the management and housekeeping fees the seller paid with the current VRBO/airbnb program. Gets tight if I have to cut 35-40% of gross out for management.
Posted by Finch
Member since Jun 2015
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Posted on 5/7/17 at 10:53 am to
Was the owner local?
Posted by OTIS2
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Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 5/7/17 at 11:03 am to
Don't know. They contracted with a cleaning service, so maybe not.
This post was edited on 5/7/17 at 11:04 am
Posted by SaintNation
Member since Dec 2008
1884 posts
Posted on 5/7/17 at 5:12 pm to
FYI- just to let you know and everyone else that are doing these short term rentals. Chances are I would say your insurance policy DOES NOT cover these short term rentals. I would be willing to bet 90% of people that are doing these have no clue that there insurance policy does not over this. So if your home or property burns down or had any type of claim then you are not covered by your insurance including a liability claim. I would highly advise you to contact your insurance agent as discuss this because it is a high probility you are not covered. There are a few companies that I work with that do cover it but they are very few. Just an fyi
Posted by LSUAlum2001
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Posted on 5/7/17 at 5:13 pm to
I heard VRBO has gotten more difficult after Expedia bought it for $4 bil last year.

They need to recoup the $$$.
Posted by WaveForLSU
Member since Oct 2008
5537 posts
Posted on 5/7/17 at 6:20 pm to
Use a company called Evolve to handle bookings and payment- they charge 10%. You never have to answer the phone. Line up your own housekeeper and get a local maintenance guy on call. Evolve is based out of Denver.
Posted by OTIS2
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Posted on 5/8/17 at 5:25 am to
Thanks! I just saw their website yesterday. I'll definitely pursue that lead.
Posted by LSUAlum2001
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Posted on 5/8/17 at 11:06 am to
This.

Stay away from VRBO/Home Away now. Not only do they charge you a fee for listing your property, they also charge the renter a fee as well.

Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
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Posted on 5/8/17 at 2:35 pm to
quote:

Stay away from VRBO/Home Away now. Not only do they charge you a fee for listing your property, they also charge the renter a fee as well.


Staying away from vrbo is wrong, and their fees are no worse than Airbnb. They used to be cheaper than Airbnb but now are close to the same or more expensive but you should still be listed on both.

All a company like Evolve will due is list your property in Vrbo, Airbnb, a couple others, and their own website. But very very few people will go to someone like evolve to book a vacation. That's like going to expedia to book a beach house.

Additionally, rental companies like that only charge 10% of the 'rent' but they have their own built in fees and ways of making additional money off their guests that could be potentially going to your pocket. So they are most likely making more than 10%, no different than any rental company.
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
31392 posts
Posted on 5/8/17 at 2:43 pm to
I've been renting out ski condos and a house in MT/ID since 2005. I use VRBO and book manually. I have a lot of repeat customers and word of mouth stuff. I've considered adding Airbnb but VRBO doesn't take a % and keeps me busy.

Watch out for lodging/hospitality tax. Also, I assume you're fine code-wise in Breck, but I know a lot of code-enforcement officers use VRBO/airbnb to bust violators.
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
31392 posts
Posted on 5/8/17 at 2:45 pm to
quote:

they also charge the renter a fee as well. 


No they don't. I've been on there with up to four properties over a 12 year period and have never paid anything but the annual fee.

I haven't looked at auto booking fees but I don't plan to use it. I like to communicate directly w my guests.
Posted by LSUAlum2001
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Posted on 5/8/17 at 3:07 pm to
Yes they do.

I booked a condo thru HA within the last month and I was charged a $90 fee by HA on top of my condo rental cost.
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