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learning about options

Posted on 5/10/18 at 10:05 am
Posted by CorkRockingham
Member since Jun 2017
502 posts
Posted on 5/10/18 at 10:05 am
So it just occurred to me that in a market of high volatility that if I purchase the underlying stock and a put option then I'm almost guaranteed to make money. If the market is indeed volatile.

Or am I missing something.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
25455 posts
Posted on 5/10/18 at 10:12 am to
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guaranteed to make money


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options


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am I missing something


Yes
Posted by southernelite
Dallas
Member since Sep 2009
53124 posts
Posted on 5/10/18 at 10:17 am to
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So it just occurred to me that in a market of high volatility that if I purchase the underlying stock and a put option then I'm almost guaranteed to make money. If the market is indeed volatile. Or am I missing something


Not missing a thing. Let us know how it goes!
Posted by CorkRockingham
Member since Jun 2017
502 posts
Posted on 5/10/18 at 10:18 am to
now that I'm thinking about it and reading, I'm guessing if everyone knows the market is volatile then that will be built into the price.
Posted by TheWalrus
Member since Dec 2012
40339 posts
Posted on 5/10/18 at 10:18 am to
A volatile market doesn’t mean each stock will have wide variation.
This post was edited on 5/10/18 at 10:19 am
Posted by CorkRockingham
Member since Jun 2017
502 posts
Posted on 5/10/18 at 10:19 am to
sorry bad terminology, if the market knows that that stock is highly volatile then it will be built into the price.
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 5/10/18 at 10:20 am to
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Or am I missing something.


Always ask yourself why you think you've found something Goldman Sachs doesn't already know about, has tried, and subsequently discarded.
Posted by PillPusher
Gulf Coast
Member since Oct 2009
5704 posts
Posted on 5/10/18 at 10:40 am to
Based on this thread and your 401k thread I'm thinking you might want to slow down a little before the big boys take all your money.
Posted by stout
Smoking Crack with Hunter Biden
Member since Sep 2006
167019 posts
Posted on 5/10/18 at 10:42 am to
What a genius plan with no downside. You should execute it immediately!
Posted by barry
Location, Location, Location
Member since Aug 2006
50335 posts
Posted on 5/10/18 at 11:54 am to
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So it just occurred to me that in a market of high volatility that if I purchase the underlying stock and a put option then I'm almost guaranteed to make money. If the market is indeed volatile.


Thats called a protective put, it will cap your downside but thats about it.


Now if you want to merely sell options and sell both sides then you can make money as you're basically selling insurance. As long as you manage your risk you can make a decent return if you have the capital....and the time.

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Or am I missing something.


Apparently incredibly basic knowledge of investing in equities and risk management


Volatility is pretty much the sole driver behind option pricing
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4069 posts
Posted on 5/10/18 at 5:46 pm to
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Now if you want to merely sell options and sell both sides then you can make money as you're basically selling insurance. As long as you manage your risk you can make a decent return if you have the capital....and the time.


What he said.
Posted by Fat Bastard
coach, investor, gambler
Member since Mar 2009
72352 posts
Posted on 5/10/18 at 6:07 pm to
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almost guaranteed to make money.


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Or am I missing something.





Posted by BHM
Member since Jun 2012
3139 posts
Posted on 5/10/18 at 7:50 pm to
I am just getting into investing and there is one thing I have learned so far... everything looks easy when you are Monday morning quarterbacking.

Not so when doing it in real time.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
18844 posts
Posted on 5/17/18 at 9:46 am to
After slowly gaining a little knowledge about options I finally decided to play a bit on Robinhood, which makes it fairly easy.

Probably just calls for now on stocks that I consider hot. I'm not comfortable looking within 3 weeks, but it seems like a way to make some extra money. Enjoying it so far.
Posted by CorkRockingham
Member since Jun 2017
502 posts
Posted on 5/17/18 at 12:33 pm to
I made a paper trade on GE, If gets above 16$ before middle of June I will be correct.

How do you find your hot stocks? like filter and find and analyze.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
18844 posts
Posted on 5/17/18 at 1:34 pm to
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How do you find your hot stocks? like filter and find and analyze.

nothing sufficient enough for what you're looking for. I just to find momentum. I used to following dozens of stocks fairly closely, but I haven't had the desire to keep up lately.

I bought CZR 13.50 calls this morning. Should have sold when I was up 38% but I was trying to be patient.

Good luck with GE. That's probably another good call option if it bottomed out.
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4069 posts
Posted on 5/18/18 at 5:18 pm to
Start with Investopedia, then progress to paper trading from there.
Posted by b-rab2
N. Louisiana
Member since Dec 2005
12574 posts
Posted on 5/18/18 at 5:34 pm to
Dec $15 short puts are intriguing..
This post was edited on 5/18/18 at 5:36 pm
Posted by Azazello
Member since Sep 2011
3179 posts
Posted on 5/18/18 at 7:48 pm to
You should post this on r/wallstreetbets
This post was edited on 5/18/18 at 7:48 pm
Posted by LSUcam7
FL
Member since Sep 2016
7892 posts
Posted on 5/18/18 at 8:14 pm to
Nothing will teach you more about options than being wrong.

And you will. The skill with options is how to manage risk, and even then I bet a small fraction win in the long run.
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