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Posted on 10/17/18 at 11:56 am
Posted by plaric
Pike Road, Alabama
Member since Jun 2011
2201 posts
Posted on 10/17/18 at 11:56 am
Sorry if I missed a post in my searching that covered this. I did a search and only found my previous post comparing stocks to real estate.

What income (monthly dividend) funds (closed or open) and what not do you guys buy? I have PHK, PHT, DHF and for the quarterly I have SO and CIM.......Wanting some more monthly payers I can diversify across and snowball faster.



Posted by Sluuuu
Boston
Member since Sep 2018
355 posts
Posted on 10/17/18 at 1:40 pm to
How old are you and what are you investment objectives at this point? Long term these income funds are under-performers. That being said if you are older and closer to retirement they can be the safer and better choice.

When you look at Southern Company(SO) they are not in position to keep growing. They operate in lower population growth areas. Also with Vogtle voting to move forward with construction in GA shifting all that financial risk to (SO) it's not the utility I would recommend.

I would recommend Exelon(EXC) or American Electric Power (AEP) over Southern Company. You'll get a similar yield with the prospect of some growth.

If you are a believer in the economy and think the FED will continue to hike then I don't think you should be opposed to a short 5 or 10 Year treasury note position which in theory provides you a little more diversification.

I know too little about income funds specifically to go into more detail to make a confidant recommendation. But if you have 20+ years until retirement that's not the place to be.

Hope this helps
Posted by plaric
Pike Road, Alabama
Member since Jun 2011
2201 posts
Posted on 10/17/18 at 2:41 pm to
I am 32. I am looking at growing passive income (enough by the age of 40) that I don't HAVE to work and stress if I don't have to.

Basically generating wealth and value. It doesn't HAVE to be an income fund but that's just the one I understand. "buy stock, get this monthly"
Posted by rowbear1922
Lake Chuck, LA
Member since Oct 2008
15165 posts
Posted on 10/17/18 at 2:48 pm to
quote:

I am 32. I am looking at growing passive income (enough by the age of 40) that I don't HAVE to work and stress if I don't have to.

Basically generating wealth and value. It doesn't HAVE to be an income fund but that's just the one I understand. "buy stock, get this monthly"


Obviously I don't know your financial situation but you would need a hell of a lot of money in to not "HAVE to work and stress".

Let's just say you are able to put $50k a year until you are 40 into income funds. If you DRIP until 40, let's just say you have $500k. At a 7% return, you are only talking $35,000 a year. I don't know about you but that's still no where near enough for me to not "HAVE" to work.
Posted by plaric
Pike Road, Alabama
Member since Jun 2011
2201 posts
Posted on 10/17/18 at 2:51 pm to
Finances are great. W2 job that pays 95k a year with zero stress.....I consult a lot on the side and I am clearing 200k+ (all of which I am investing) from the consulting work.....wife works and makes 60k a year testing software from home. So collectively 350k I guess.....it fluctuates but that is a good safe number I think.

Does that change how I should be doing this?


Takes me back to my stocks vs real estate thread. Maybe leverage and REI is what I need in my life....
This post was edited on 10/17/18 at 2:53 pm
Posted by Janky
Team Primo
Member since Jun 2011
35957 posts
Posted on 10/17/18 at 2:52 pm to
You can decide what is best for you but there are many different options out there with good yield.

HTD
ETO
ETV
APTS

Just to name a few.

*This is not any kind of financial advice.
Posted by rowbear1922
Lake Chuck, LA
Member since Oct 2008
15165 posts
Posted on 10/17/18 at 2:59 pm to
quote:

Does that change how I should be doing this?


Not 100% sure if I am being honest. I am 30 and just started making real money. I personally have my work 401k and stock options that I don't really look at but invest in every paycheck to the tune of 23% of my income before company match and then have been attempting to play the market some with a few different stocks and learning more as I go along.

I have some REITs that I really like but similar to the funds you are looking at, I think it's something I will more look at when I get closer to retirement.

For me personally, I would like to have north of $1M in retirement with ~5% return after that by time I am at retirement age. By then, my expenses should be very minimal and living off $50k should be very comfortable along with SS (if still a thing in 35 years).
This post was edited on 10/17/18 at 3:01 pm
Posted by plaric
Pike Road, Alabama
Member since Jun 2011
2201 posts
Posted on 10/17/18 at 3:03 pm to
Yeah, that's how I'm feeling. I want to grow my passive income so then I can just go to my stress free main gig and relax on W2 money while my funds grow for me. The consulting is stressful but I'm really good at it (hence the amount of money it brings in).....I can only endure so much of it before I explode though so that is why I'm giving myself the 40 cutoff.
Posted by rowbear1922
Lake Chuck, LA
Member since Oct 2008
15165 posts
Posted on 10/17/18 at 3:08 pm to
quote:

Yeah, that's how I'm feeling. I want to grow my passive income so then I can just go to my stress free main gig and relax on W2 money while my funds grow for me. The consulting is stressful but I'm really good at it (hence the amount of money it brings in).....I can only endure so much of it before I explode though so that is why I'm giving myself the 40 cutoff.


I'd say for sure make whatever you can now while you can.

I'd love to get some kind of consulting gig and double my income. I'd personally look into some ETFs and just buy those stocks individually myself or get with a financial planner and have them set up a "Financial Roadmap" or plan with specific investment opportunities then execute that plan yourself. You will obviously have to pay a one time fee for the plan then every few years, or in your case in 4 years, meet again to do the same thing and see where you have holes. You should be able to save on the other fees by doing so.
Posted by Sluuuu
Boston
Member since Sep 2018
355 posts
Posted on 10/17/18 at 3:09 pm to
Here's what I would recommend with your current finances. Start with investing 50,000$ in the SAP500 & Contribute 1,000 month to it. If the rate of return holds true at roughly 9% you will have a little under $2,300,000 in thirty years. That is probably the best way to financial freedom. If you make that kind of money like you say you should have no problem being able to throw 1,000$/Month at the SAP500 index fund. Fixed incomes are for older folks, at your age it's perfectly okay to be a little more aggressive.
Posted by plaric
Pike Road, Alabama
Member since Jun 2011
2201 posts
Posted on 10/17/18 at 3:18 pm to
Ok. Yeah, I just get hung up on the whole FOBO (Fear of better options).

It is stupid that I am making the money I make but am a complete idiot when it comes to investing it etc...Trying to wrap my head around it etc.
Posted by plaric
Pike Road, Alabama
Member since Jun 2011
2201 posts
Posted on 10/17/18 at 3:27 pm to
I have about 85k in dividend / income stocks right now. Going to start putting the divs and the new money I have into some funds that will pull higher return I suppose.

Thanks for the help guys
This post was edited on 10/17/18 at 3:27 pm
Posted by Sluuuu
Boston
Member since Sep 2018
355 posts
Posted on 10/17/18 at 3:42 pm to
You bet! Don't be afraid to sit down with an expert!

Happy investing!
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