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If your IRA chart looks like this how concerned are you?

Posted on 12/18/18 at 6:14 am
Posted by Tarps99
Lafourche Parish
Member since Apr 2017
7319 posts
Posted on 12/18/18 at 6:14 am


This is my IRA chart some others may be more horrific. It is the past 3 months.

It looks like the economic two step.

After each contribution it goes up for the moment, then it goes down as the month progresses.

Are you guys seeing a similar track record?

It may be time to switch to more stable funds.

I doubt I have seen any gains in the past 10 years.
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
48868 posts
Posted on 12/18/18 at 6:23 am to
quote:

If your IRA chart looks like this how concerned are you?


Zero because I'm going to be working for another 30 years easy
Posted by TorchtheFlyingTiger
1st coast
Member since Jan 2008
2110 posts
Posted on 12/18/18 at 6:36 am to
I wouldn't be concerned about a three month period.

However, if you haven't seen gains in 10 years you're doing something wrong.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
18852 posts
Posted on 12/18/18 at 7:13 am to
quote:

I doubt I have seen any gains in the past 10 years.

You're lying.
Posted by tigeraddict
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
11782 posts
Posted on 12/18/18 at 7:27 am to
being in my early 40s i look at down tuns in the market as opportunities to by more shares with my contributions then during higher market periods. Unless you are close to retirement/in retirement, dips are not a bad thing

In 2008 i looked at it as being able to buy 2x as many shares as i was able to buy in 2007 with the same contribution. so 2008 became two years of contributions vs other years.
Posted by TheRustyShackleford
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2017
131 posts
Posted on 12/18/18 at 7:41 am to
quote:

opportunities to by more shares with my contributions


/thread
Posted by CoachChappy
Member since May 2013
32498 posts
Posted on 12/18/18 at 7:46 am to
My contributions kept me at even this year, but last year I murdered it.

quote:

It may be time to switch to more stable funds.

I doubt I have seen any gains in the past 10 years.



Who is managing your IRA?
Posted by Tarps99
Lafourche Parish
Member since Apr 2017
7319 posts
Posted on 12/18/18 at 7:57 am to
Oppenheimer is managing it.

Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
Member since Oct 2012
12186 posts
Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:04 am to
quote:

It may be time to switch to more stable funds.




Buy high sell low, works out every time.



quote:

I doubt I have seen any gains in the past 10 years.


Should be pretty easy to find that info





Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:28 am to
That’s going to look minuscule when you retire baw
Posted by Tarps99
Lafourche Parish
Member since Apr 2017
7319 posts
Posted on 12/18/18 at 9:04 am to


Here is the last 5 years. Notice no year higher except for one.

I probably would have done better stuffing a mattress if my employer personally gave met the match.
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 12/18/18 at 9:06 am to
What the hell were you invested in in 2017?
Posted by Tarps99
Lafourche Parish
Member since Apr 2017
7319 posts
Posted on 12/18/18 at 9:13 am to
These are the funds invested it:

Capital Appreciation Fund A
Discovery Fund A
Global Allocation Fund A
Global Fund A
Global Strategic Income Fund A
Limited-Term Bond Fund A

Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
17931 posts
Posted on 12/18/18 at 10:01 am to
I get excited. Buying more for less is a great way to get to early retirement.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
18852 posts
Posted on 12/18/18 at 10:12 am to
quote:

These are the funds invested it:

Capital Appreciation Fund A
Discovery Fund A
Global Allocation Fund A
Global Fund A
Global Strategic Income Fund A
Limited-Term Bond Fund A


1) Forgive me for saying you were lying. I really thought you were trolling us. Now I just feel bad for you. We've got to get this fixed.

2) Wow, you've got to get free from Oppenheimer. What is your fund allocation percentages among those six? The fact that you hired a guy who is making money is a damn shame (then again, he'd be making more if you were doing well)...so is he dumb, lazy, or both?

RED FLAGS
a. You're paying well over 1% fees for these funds. Vanguard fund fees are sub 0.15%

b. Three of your five equity funds are global. There's no reason this should ever happen.

c. All six of those funds are positive over the past 5 years...so how are you negative?
This post was edited on 12/18/18 at 10:27 am
Posted by Omada
Member since Jun 2015
692 posts
Posted on 12/18/18 at 10:35 am to
I also think the Strategic Income and Bond Fund are bad ideas that can account for a certain amount of losses. Buying those in a low rate environment meant he paid high prices for low yield bonds. And once interest rates started to climb again, the price of the bonds in his funds declined. OP should have been in equities instead.

And while he is paying high fees for his funds, they aren't the main reason why he's down each year.
Posted by Tarps99
Lafourche Parish
Member since Apr 2017
7319 posts
Posted on 12/18/18 at 10:48 am to
Actually it is an employer match funded Simple IRA.

So it is not a simple move, excuse the pun.
This post was edited on 12/18/18 at 10:49 am
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
80109 posts
Posted on 12/18/18 at 10:52 am to
Did you choose the allocation and funds or did your guy do it?

That’s a pretty terrible set of funds to be in over that period of time.
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 12/18/18 at 11:36 am to
quote:

I doubt I have seen any gains in the past 10 years.


You must have been in all cash then. The past ten years has been an epic bull market for stocks unless you got it right before the crash.
Posted by Omada
Member since Jun 2015
692 posts
Posted on 12/18/18 at 12:12 pm to
quote:

You must have been in all cash then. The past ten years has been an epic bull market for stocks unless you got it right before the crash.
If you had finished reading the thread, you would've seen the proof OP provided:

Having just looked at the 5 year performance of those funds, OP's problem is that these Oppenheimer funds are EDIT: not as bad as I initially thought; see the note below. The high fees compared to the alternatives is just insult to injury.

EDIT 2: This original post was wrong about the mutual funds' performances. I wrongly assumed the Google chart for the funds showed changes in NAV per share. Thankfully, Thib-a-doe Tiger pointed out that my information was wrong. I have removed the wrong info for later readers. If you want accurate NAV changes for the funds, use Morningstar. If you would like to see my mistakes, they are quoted on the following page.

The information below is the name of the funds he was invested in, the ticker, and the type of investments the funds use:

Capital Appreciation Fund A: OPTFX, large cap US growth stocks.

Discovery Fund A: OPOCX, small cap US growth stocks.

Global Allocation Fund A: QVGIX, global allocation with short-to-medium term horizon that "seeks to achieve attractive total returns without taking undue risk."

Global Fund A: OPPAX, large cap US and foreign stock fund.

Global Strategic Income Fund A: OPSIX, global fixed income investments.

Limited-Term Bond Fund A: OUSGX, limited term US investment grade fixed income investments.
This post was edited on 12/18/18 at 4:36 pm
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