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Omada
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re: Dow down 700 pts
It was a 60 point drop in /ES during a time that normally sees volume of 1,000 contracts or so, and CME had to step in with the pauses and rejection of market orders to keep things from getting worse. I don't really understand the Velocity Logic at a glance, but here it is if you're interested.

I don't think anyone knows why it happened though... I don't think it was mainly a liquidity problem considering the # of contracts traded. Maybe a hedge fund, ETF, ETN, or something blew up and we'll find out in a few weeks.


Hussss
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re: Dow down 700 pts
YES liquidity IS a problem.

We have seen NOTHING compared to what is right around the corner.

Once again, good luck.



iAmBatman
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re: Dow down 700 pts
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research for yourselves


I can’t stand when ignorant people say this. The burden of proof is on the person making the claim. It is up to you to provide evidence to support what you are asserting.


Hussss
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re: Dow down 700 pts
I owe you NOTHING, BUT I'll just leave you with a little hint of why liquidity is such a major problem and let you do the rest smartass

DB
This post was edited on 12/5 at 9:30 pm


LSURussian
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re: Dow down 700 pts
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BUT I'll just leave you with a little hint of why liquidity is such a major problem

Okay.....


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iAmBatman
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re: Dow down 700 pts
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I owe you NOTHING


False. If you want your assertion to be taken seriously (although I doubt that’s your goal considering your post history in this thread) then evidence to support said claims needs to be provided.

Claims without evidence can be dismissed with out evidence, which is exactly what everyone in this thread is doing to your outlandish and asinine posts.


LSURussian
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re: Dow down 700 pts
He’s gone.

I really wanted to hear his logic regarding liquidity.

The U.S. stockmarket has never been more liquid. Trading volumes are hovering around 3.5 BILLION shares a DAY just on the NYSE. That’s up by 25%-35% from just 5 years ago.

Add another billion to two billion shares/day traded on NASDAQ.

The vast majority of shares trade with a bid/ask spread of ONE CENT. That’s very efficient trading.

IPOs continue to happen usually with very good results for first day trading.

Those are NOT symptoms of a liquidity crunch in the stock market.

But I’m willing to listen and learn. Maybe he’ll cool off and come back later....


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buckeye_vol
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re: Dow down 700 pts
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YES liquidity IS a problem.

We have seen NOTHING compared to what is right around the corner.

Once again, good luck.
Ok. I did some research (a quick google search), and I found something about worsening liquidity:

Stock Market Liquidity Indicator Turns Negative for First Time Since 2009
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Nov 4, 2015
And since then the S&P 500 price has an annualized increase of 8.5%, better then its historical averages.

Yet, I can’t find anything about the liquidity that you are arguing as so obvious and concerning. Not to mention, the above article occurred before the policies that you’re arguing is causing this problem. So why would that he the case?


LSURussian
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re: Dow down 700 pts
The article you linked refers to their liquidity measure as “secret sauce” because they don’t want to reveal how they define it. It’s difficult to gain a lot of confidence from that in their methodology.

They actually appear to claim a Fibonacci Number to add credibility to one of their measurements. WTF?

And they refer to the August, 2015 “panic low” to support their assertion. Do you remember the “panic low” that occured then?

Me, neither......


bayoubengals88
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re: Dow down 700 pts
in game thread? Futures down about 1.5%


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Thib-a-doe Tiger
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re: Dow down 700 pts
Less liquidity does not mean illiquid


If you want to know what illiquid is, talk to someone with a privately held reit


cave canem
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re: Dow down 700 pts
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in game thread? Futures down about 1.5%



and falling, going to be an interesting morning.


cuyahoga tiger
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re: Dow down 700 pts
The start of the slide is on. Buckle up it's gonna get bumpy. I sure hope it gets it over and rebounds in 2-3 years as I have 8 years to retirement. Did a little re-balancing early this year, but should have done more, in hindsight.


bayoubengals88
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re: Dow down 700 pts
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The start of the slide is on. Buckle up it's gonna get bumpy. I sure hope it gets it over and rebounds in 2-3 years as I have 8 years to retirement. Did a little re-balancing early this year, but should have done more, in hindsight.

I'm sure everything will be up again by the time my Roth deposit goes through in late December...


cuyahoga tiger
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re: Dow down 700 pts
funny how it works like that , huh?


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LSURussian
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re: Dow down 700 pts
CNBC had one of the Fed board members on this morning around 7 AM who sounded pretty dovish about an interest rate increase next week when the FOMC meets for the last time this year.

He was saying things like "inflation appears to be going nowhere" and "the economy seems to be softening."

If the Fed pauses in its rate increase policy next week and includes language indicating further increases may be slow to occur, I believe we'll see a substantial stock market improvement.

Even if the Fed raises rates by .25% next week but then includes language in its meeting news release that the board has moved to a "neutral interest rate policy" I think the market would react positively.


DVinBR
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re: Dow down 700 pts
liquidation after a long term market rally the past few years, i think it's a hard correction that's going to end lower than the February correction, when will the swings stop? who knows
but needless to say, RIP 2018 gains, we will see true market value here in the near future


cuyahoga tiger
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re: Dow down 700 pts
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If the Fed pauses in its rate increase policy next week and includes language indicating further increases may be slow to occur, I believe we'll see a substantial stock market improvement. Even if the Fed raises rates by .25% next week but then includes language in its meeting news release that the board has moved to a "neutral interest rate policy" I think the market would react positively.


I would concur...however, I've feared that the swamp realizes the only way the big orange bastard will surely lose in 2020 is if we are in the grasp of a recession. I'm not sure the Fed can stay apolitical.


slackster
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re: Dow down 700 pts
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I owe you NOTHING, BUT I'll just leave you with a little hint of why liquidity is such a major problem and let you do the rest smartass


DB


Cooper?


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cave canem
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re: Dow down 700 pts
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we will see true market value here in the near future


agreed


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