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Posted on 12/10/18 at 11:35 am to
Posted by Pendulum
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Posted on 12/10/18 at 11:35 am to
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I’m 10% down across 4 individual stocks.


Subtle Brag
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 12/10/18 at 11:37 am to
Okay, thanks!
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
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Posted on 12/10/18 at 11:38 am to
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Looking for some guidance.. I’m 10% down across 4 individual stocks. Do I sell this or hang on to it and ride it out?


Truly, no offense is intended. But you should definitely sell any individual equity positions that you have, invest in mutual funds and never buy an individual equity again. Really. Individual stocks are not meant for everyone, and your question indicates that you shouldn't be buying them. There's nothing wrong with mutual fund investing. In fact, it usually turns out better for most people.
Posted by CajunTiger92
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 12/10/18 at 11:39 am to
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Hey, guys, is this #3?


I think so. CNBC website has had the “worried trader in agony” pictures running now for several trading days in a row.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84607 posts
Posted on 12/10/18 at 11:48 am to
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Looking for some guidance..

I’m 10% down across 4 individual stocks. Do I sell this or hang on to it and ride it out?


How do you expect someone to help without knowing what 4 stocks you own?

The advice someone gave with the mutual funds is probably a great idea for you.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126940 posts
Posted on 12/10/18 at 11:58 am to
Okay, guys....what just happened?

The DJ went from being down over 500 points to being down "just" 160 points. And 7 of my stocks just went positive for the day after being wayyyyyy negative all morning.

And tarzana claims the stock market isn't 'fun' anymore!
This post was edited on 12/10/18 at 1:32 pm
Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
48347 posts
Posted on 12/10/18 at 12:04 pm to
AAPL has been painful to own lately.
Posted by Mr.Perfect
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2013
17438 posts
Posted on 12/10/18 at 12:09 pm to
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But you should definitely sell any individual equity positions that you have, invest in mutual funds and never buy an individual equity again. Really. Individual stocks are not meant for everyone


Jag, maybe i dont understand your advice here.

Mutual funds are a collection of individual stocks so why would an investor buying shares of an individual equity be a poor choice?

Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
35341 posts
Posted on 12/10/18 at 12:11 pm to
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Mutual funds are a collection of individual stocks so why would an investor buying shares of an individual equity be a poor choice?



Because he’s asking for advice without telling us what he owns. He doesn’t understand that a 10% drop on one stock may be totally different than a 10% drop in a different stock

Let people who do it for a living figure out what to do
Posted by leoj
Member since Nov 2010
3106 posts
Posted on 12/10/18 at 12:13 pm to
Reduce your risk. If you don’t know what you’re doing and you’re picking individual equities you have a higher percentage chance of losing your arse. If you have an ETF that mirrors the S&P 500, the odds are basically 100% that over a long term horizon you will make money. There is a reason the average investor underperforms the market.
Posted by fallguy_1978
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Member since Feb 2018
48347 posts
Posted on 12/10/18 at 12:14 pm to
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Mutual funds are a collection of individual stocks so why would an investor buying shares of an individual equity be a poor choice?

I own both. 401k is all mutual funds. IRA and ROTH are all individual stocks. I've essentially created by own mutual fund with 8 or so stocks.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126940 posts
Posted on 12/10/18 at 12:27 pm to
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There is a reason the average investor underperforms the market.
But does everyone know why that is? It's not necessarily because an investor's individual picks are bad.

It has a lot to do with the cash position of their portfolios.

A person holding individual stocks usually retains a higher portion of cash in their account while S&P500 index mutual funds keep a relatively small position in cash. IOW, mutual funds are more likely to be close to 'fully invested' than a typical individual investor.

The rationale is people don't buy equity mutual funds in order to stay OUT of the stock market. Plus most professional, i.e., mutual fund, managers have learned that market timing sucks.

Since in most years the market is up (but not always as new investors are learning this year ), a fully invested portfolio like a diversified mutual fund such as an S&P 500 index fund will outperform a portfolio which holds a significant percent of cash.
Posted by Mr.Perfect
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2013
17438 posts
Posted on 12/10/18 at 12:32 pm to
quote:

Because he’s asking for advice without telling us what he owns. He doesn’t understand that a 10% drop on one stock may be totally different than a 10% drop in a different stock

Let people who do it for a living figure out what to do



yea i get that. you should not buy an individual stock without researching it. i agree that the "professionals" have a better ability to do that than a typical investor.
Posted by leoj
Member since Nov 2010
3106 posts
Posted on 12/10/18 at 1:04 pm to
Also thought it had to do that the average investor buys and sells and tries to time the market when there is the stat that if you miss just a few of the best days in a year you miss out on a disproportionate share of the total gains.
Posted by brightside878
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2009
1559 posts
Posted on 12/10/18 at 1:16 pm to
I own

MPC - Marathon
EA - EA Sports
URI- united rentals
And some Waitr

Thanks for the info so far. And no, I don’t know what I’m doing.
Posted by brightside878
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2009
1559 posts
Posted on 12/10/18 at 1:20 pm to
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Truly, no offense is intended. But you should definitely sell any individual equity positions that you have, invest in mutual funds and never buy an individual equity again. Really. Individual stocks are not meant for everyone, and your question indicates that you shouldn't be buying them. There's nothing wrong with mutual fund investing. In fact, it usually turns out better for most people.


No offense taken whatsoever. I’ve made nice money taking profits on construction equipment stocks recently. Did the same with Verizon. I find it fun to research and invest with a <15% of the cash I keep. I appreciate the insight, and no offense taken.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126940 posts
Posted on 12/10/18 at 1:29 pm to
quote:

Also thought it had to do that the average investor buys and sells and tries to time the market
Yep, that, too.
Posted by KillTheGophers
Member since Jan 2016
6209 posts
Posted on 12/10/18 at 1:38 pm to
I love troubled times like these - I have bought some stocks that have been on my wish list - they should produce nicely for me over the next 15 years.

Note - I am old so I have turned to a target date mutual fund for the majority of my holding - takes some risk out of play and rebalances for me without the headache.



Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4080 posts
Posted on 12/10/18 at 2:23 pm to
quote:

No offense taken whatsoever. I’ve made nice money taking profits on construction equipment stocks recently. Did the same with Verizon. I find it fun to research and invest with a <15% of the cash I keep. I appreciate the insight, and no offense taken.


That you're only putting 15% or so in individual equities is better. So you're just looking for a rule set as to when/if to sell? I've used Investor's Business Daily's rules for decades. William O'Neill has a well researched and proven approach.

Investor's Business Daily

Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4080 posts
Posted on 12/10/18 at 2:34 pm to
quote:

Jag, maybe i dont understand your advice here. Mutual funds are a collection of individual stocks so why would an investor buying shares of an individual equity be a poor choice?


Pretty much what others have said. Buying even four or five individual equities won't give the diversification that a broadly diversified (even within a sector) fund gives. You won't make as much off of a homerun in the fund, but if one of the stocks tanks, you won't take a crushing hit either, like you might with an individual holding.

I buy individual equities, as well as funds (ETFs and mutual funds). Over time, I'd say that fund investing has produced better, or at least more consistent, returns for me. Even though I have a (dusty) Econ degree and an MBA, I find it hard to keep up with the research that's necessary to stay on top of individual companies. Trying not to become overweight in one company or sector is also difficult. I let myself get overweight in tech this year and I've paid the price for it.

BTW, it wasn't me that down-voted your post. I felt that it was a legit question.
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