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Changing Careers/Industries and the Dreaded Pay Cut - any advice?

Posted on 5/14/20 at 9:18 am
Posted by Boring
Member since Feb 2019
3792 posts
Posted on 5/14/20 at 9:18 am
In these trying times...

I've been working in a legal role in the oil and gas industry for around 6 years. While I've been assured that my job is more or less safe, obviously the industry is hurting and has essentially been in a multi-year "downturn" for my entire short career.

I have an opportunity to change careers and industries entirely, the only problem is it would mean a rough ~2/3 pay cut. I'd be starting in a more or less "entry level" position at a big state university. What I'd be sacrificing in pay, I'd be gaining in stability, better benefits, and significantly less stress. Still, it's a tough pill to swallow as I'm used to saving/investing quite a bit of my current salary.

Has anyone faced a similar decision? Is this too big of a salary decrease to overcome down the road? Thanks in advance for any input (except from OleWarSkuleAlum, that guy sucks).
Posted by blackoutdore
Nashville
Member since Jun 2013
247 posts
Posted on 5/14/20 at 9:24 am to
a 66% reduction is pretty tough to swallow. That being said, if you think it will make you happier and you can still live, then do it. You worked hard and saved some money for the ability to do what you want - don't be afraid to use it now that the opportunity has arrived.
Posted by Fat Bastard
coach, investor, gambler
Member since Mar 2009
72462 posts
Posted on 5/14/20 at 9:28 am to
quote:

(except from OleWarSkuleAlum, that guy sucks).


Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
30542 posts
Posted on 5/14/20 at 9:34 am to
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Thanks in advance for any input (except from OleWarSkuleAlum, that guy sucks).

Upvote
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
38639 posts
Posted on 5/14/20 at 9:39 am to
after Katrina I lost my 150k job as a hotel executive. I hired on as a contract PM with the cleanup engineer in NOLA and made ridiculous money thru March 2006. In april 2006 I started a construction company with my father and for ten years I made less than 50k a year (but I had no debt and very few bills).

Now I bring home triple what I used to make
Posted by Boring
Member since Feb 2019
3792 posts
Posted on 5/14/20 at 9:57 am to
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Now I bring home triple what I used to make


This is the scenario I hope to be in. At the higher levels of this new field, the money and benefits are fantastic. Sometimes going down a few rungs is the only way to go up, if you know what I mean. However, I'm 30 and have delayed a lot of gratification and life things that others have already experienced: getting married, having kids, buying a home, putting down roots, taking vacations etc. I've essentially spent the last 6 years giving everything I have (and some stuff I don't!) to my company, our clients, and the industry at large. This would be delaying all of that potentially another 5-10 years.
Posted by 8thyearsenior
Centennial, CO
Member since Mar 2006
4280 posts
Posted on 5/14/20 at 10:18 am to
I'd take the new job. Oil is hurting bad and getting worse by the day. Your current job probably isn't safe at all. They don't warn you in this business. Everything is fine and you are good until you're being walked out. If you can make the numbers work I would run not walk out the door.

I'm in the same boat as you. I'm trying to land a job with the state that would pay about 1/3 of what I was making, but it has great benefits, job security, and would let me live where I want to live. I'll be changing a lot of our spending but I'll make it work.

If/when oil picks back up you can always quit the old job and go back to the oil biz.
Posted by MaxDraft
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2019
557 posts
Posted on 5/14/20 at 10:18 am to
quote:

the only problem is it would mean a rough ~2/3 pay cut.


That's a nope from me. 1/4 cut or a 1/3? Maybe... 2/3? No thanks. More power to you if you're financially setup for that. I couldn't do it. But, if you're single and debt free, now is the best time to make such a huge jump.
Posted by Yukon7
Louisiana
Member since May 2018
588 posts
Posted on 5/14/20 at 10:23 am to
The way i look at it, there are probably many opportunities out there making 1/3 of what you make now. Ride the gravy train as long as you can, save as much money as you can in the process.
Posted by Ramblin Wreck
Member since Aug 2011
3898 posts
Posted on 5/14/20 at 10:32 am to
I hired in with one of the top 5 O&G companies in 1990. By the mid 1990’s the industry was tanking. It got so bad that my company quit mowing the grass in front of the buildings to send a message to us on cutting costs. I panicked and went to another industry. Two years later, the O&G industry was soaring. Fortunately I didn’t burn any bridges and went back. My pay is 5 times now what it was when I left in the mid 1990’s. If I had stayed with the industry that I jumped ship to, I’d probably been unemployed in the early 2000’s and making only a fraction of what I do now.

This cycle happens about every 10 years or so. Don’t panic. O&G pays much better than just about every industry (with the exception of professional sports stars and those that hold political offices if you include their under the table income)
Posted by WM88
West Monroe
Member since Aug 2004
1580 posts
Posted on 5/14/20 at 10:35 am to
15 years ago, I left a 90k a year job for half the income. In addition, my wife also lost her job.

It took me 13 years to work back to previous income but I've always lived simply with little or no debt.

I don't regret my decision (most of the time) because the old job was a really crap job. I do enjoy my job now but the company I work for is constantly laying off and this will not last forever.

The grass isn't always greener. If you like your job, you may want to ride this out rather than take a 2/3 pay cut.

Sounds like you will always be in demand.
Posted by lnomm34
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2009
12604 posts
Posted on 5/14/20 at 10:42 am to
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"entry level" position at a big state university


With state jobs, and the current economic situation, I don't envision many salary increases in the immediate future. State budgets are going to be hurting - just like the rest of the world. But, state employee salary increases are rare and small, and I can see them becoming even more rare and likely zero for a good while.

That's my $0.02 for you to consider.
Posted by Tshiz
Idaho
Member since Jul 2013
7539 posts
Posted on 5/14/20 at 11:30 am to
NO job is worth 2/3 pay cut bc NO job is ever guaranteed.

Work hard where you are, save, and ride the wave. If they let you go you’ll make less anyway elsewhere. No reason to cut your pay yourself
Posted by rotrain
Member since Feb 2013
390 posts
Posted on 5/14/20 at 1:29 pm to
I'd be all for gaining stability, benefits, and less stress for the long term. Just make sure that this big state university is the opportunity you should use as your exit strategy. State budgets are about to be in a world of hurt...and a true "entry level" position doesn't sound very stable. Without knowing more, it would seem that your 10 years of experience killing yourself and postponing your life to dedicate to the job would be able to get you a far greater opportunity than an entry level job at a big state university.

TLDR: There is probably greener grass, just not sure you're looking at the right pasture.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
9292 posts
Posted on 5/14/20 at 1:41 pm to
quote:

Has anyone faced a similar decision? Is this too big of a salary decrease to overcome down the road?

I had a similar conundrum a few years ago. Was working in oil & gas, had an opportunity to switch industries but faced about a 30% pay cut. My job was pretty safe (at the time, not sure about now) but was extremely stressful and required me to spend quite a bit of time offshore. The offshore part is probably the biggest difference between our situations, as this was an added incentive for me to leave.

I did not make up the salary difference at the company I went to work for after leaving O&G. However, that position added some great experience to my resume. I actually wound up leaving that job after a couple of years and now I have made up the salary difference. I would not have been able to get into the role I have now directly from my O&G job. My biggest long-term concern about my O&G job was that it was a niche field, and I didn’t want to get pigeon-holed into it for the rest of my career.

So I guess my advice would be: if you want to leave your O&G job but are worried about the salary implications, try to make sure that the job you’re taking is going to open more doors for you down the road, whether that’s through relationships or resume boosts.
Posted by Cdawg
TigerFred's Living Room
Member since Sep 2003
59442 posts
Posted on 5/14/20 at 1:48 pm to
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~2/3 pay cut.

That's a tough pay cut. A huge one. I'm not sure I could do it. I'd hang on until something better comes along.

quote:

I'd be starting in a more or less "entry level" position at a big state university.

Just remember when budget cuts start happening like 10-12 years ago, trimming the fat will happen.
Posted by hiltacular
NYC
Member since Jan 2011
19665 posts
Posted on 5/14/20 at 1:53 pm to
I would not take that paycut. If you are that nervous I would actively start looking for a new job. I would think a legal role could find something equivalent relatively easy but maybe you are in a niche?

ETA would also have concerns about a state university, those places are bloated and most should be cutting costs like crazy going forward.
This post was edited on 5/14/20 at 1:54 pm
Posted by MaxDraft
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2019
557 posts
Posted on 5/14/20 at 2:02 pm to
quote:

I would not take that paycut.


Agreed. Let's say you make $150k and the 2/3 cut brings you down to $50k. I imagine there are a lot of places an experienced lawyer can go that pays $50k+. Why take that hit now? Ride out the higher job and sock away more salary if you're worried about career longevity there. There's honestly no way to know which decision is "better" in 5, 10, 15 years...each choice could have different options down the road. I'd take the "bird in hand" for as long as you can hold onto it, and worry about flushing the others out of the bush later.
Posted by AndyJ
Member since Jul 2008
2753 posts
Posted on 5/14/20 at 2:20 pm to
I’m thinking about switching to the VA as a physician. I’d take about a 40% pay cut for a much easier job and lots of benefits (which probably make it 30% cut)
Posted by 337tigergirl
Houston
Member since Jan 2012
6556 posts
Posted on 5/14/20 at 4:13 pm to
I was in the same position as you are a few weeks ago.

I was super nervous about staying in o&g with current conditions.
I struck a conversation with someone i interviewed with last year. They wanted me to come work for them.

I was making about 10% more than what they offered because of the extra from my car allowance.

I negotiated with them for a slight pay cut to my base salary- 2.5K. The same day I was waiting on their answer, I got laid off from my o&g job. I’m kind of pissed bc I was 10x QOQ at the o&g job. I was trying to hold onto my o&g job bc of the pay. The job is blah.

I’m extremely lucky to have an acceptable offer the same day. I get mileage so I can make up for the car allowance. The bonus is the about the same.

So sometimes.. life makes the decisions for me.

For 2/3 cut... I would ride the o&g all the way to unemployment. No job is worth that pay cut unless there is a huge opportunity for advancement or possible pay raises.
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