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Buying vs Renting a home for building wealth

Posted on 11/16/17 at 4:48 pm
Posted by Ole War Skule
North Shore
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 11/16/17 at 4:48 pm
I don't agree with the conclusion of the study, but it's an interesting read for those considering whether to buy or rent

CNBC story on F&A study
Posted by YipSkiddlyDooo
Member since Apr 2013
3631 posts
Posted on 11/16/17 at 6:31 pm to
I spend more money on housing now that I rent, compared to the previous one I owned.

But yeah I could kill my dog, sell most of our stuff and move into a 3bd apartment and have more money to throw into stocks every month. So I get it.
Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
Member since Jul 2013
34849 posts
Posted on 11/16/17 at 8:31 pm to
In 30 years would you rather be in a paid off house or paying 2047 rent prices?
Posted by JayDeerTay84
Texas
Member since May 2013
9847 posts
Posted on 11/16/17 at 9:02 pm to
Yea, owning property is a sure fire way to ruin.
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
51873 posts
Posted on 11/16/17 at 11:31 pm to
I’d be interested to see how after equating home appreciation and stock growth did they account for how heavily leveraged you are in a home vs stock.
Posted by Titan
Member since Apr 2008
2471 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:56 am to
my house has almost doubled in value in 6 years. Id say thats a pretty good investment
Posted by GoIrish02
Member since Mar 2012
1385 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 12:15 pm to
The rule of 72 indicates an average annual rate of return of 12% for an investment to double in your 6 year time frame.

Stocks have returned quite a lot more than 12% per year in the last 6 years, plus they don't require all the significant ownership costs of a house. Has your house paid you money to reinvest every quarter for the last 6 six years? I imagine you still have had to cut the grass, buy insurance and pay property taxes over the same time frame.

I'm sure someone will chime in about leverage soon and tell me "you can't live in a mutual fund!" but the facts are facts on the respective historical ROIs for housing (about 6~7%) and stocks (11~12%).

Houses aren't investments, they're just places to live, and there are better ways to invest your money for long term (hassle free) growth.
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 12:25 pm
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
42548 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 4:46 pm to
I always buy in fantastic areas with professionals and great schools. Never had an issue selling or making money. Even during the down turn.
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4072 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 6:35 pm to
quote:

Houses aren't investments, they're just places to live, and there are better ways to invest your money for long term (hassle free) growth.


By "houses", do you mean real estate in general? If so, I can only say that I began buying real estate in the 80's. And unless there were brokerage firms that would have allowed me to buy equities for no money down, or at most, 3-5% down, there is just no way that I could have built the balance sheet that I have today, if I had only invested in the stock market. And yes, at least in my case, that was primarily a function of leverage. Much of what I have in stocks came from real estate.

But as I've said on here many times, real estate (in its various investment forms) is not for everyone... and neither are individual stocks. I agree with you that one should think of their primary residence as their home, and not an investment. But I'd say the most important thing is to know yourself and work within those bounds to build a solid, diversified portfolio of investments. It doesn't have to be either/or.
Posted by ItNeverRains
37069
Member since Oct 2007
25363 posts
Posted on 11/18/17 at 7:25 am to
Real Estate is hyperlocal, down to the street in small town USA. In my market this article couldn’t be more inaccurate.

Stock market historically has outperformed real estate market. There are other factors other than ROI to real estate ownership.



Posted by Tigers4life
The great US of A
Member since May 2004
1865 posts
Posted on 11/18/17 at 7:39 am to
quote:

Buying vs Renting a home for building wealth


There are so many things to consider before making this decision....someone could right a book and still not cover every scenario.
Posted by FinleyStreet
Member since Aug 2011
7895 posts
Posted on 11/18/17 at 11:03 am to
Rent is pretty high right now. I would probably pay 2.5x my mortgage if I were renting the space I'm currently in. Plus rent is forever while my house will likely be paid off sometime next year.

Plus, no shite, home ownership doesn't build wealth. I didn't buy a house to build wealth. I have a 401k for that.
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
51873 posts
Posted on 11/18/17 at 5:27 pm to
quote:

Rent is pretty high right now.


Exactly.

Adding on all of the expenses of home ownership, including a budget for upkeep, minus tax breaks, equals to about 100 dollars less for less space and more rules in basically the same exact area (2 blocks away geographically, in a different school district that is orders of magnitude better)

Except for renting, at the end of the month I have nothing to show for it but another bill.

Owning means I built equity in something.

And the article even recognizes that.
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 11/18/17 at 6:16 pm to
quote:

Real Estate is hyperlocal, down to the street in small town USA. In my market this article couldn’t be more inaccurate.


Markets change with time, and are very unpredictable, around here areas that 25 years ago were depreciating are now in high demand some of the highest price per SQFT in town, areas that were in high demand 25 years ago are stagnant or declining.
Posted by Rust Cohle
Baton rouge
Member since Mar 2014
1932 posts
Posted on 11/19/17 at 10:35 am to
OP I get down voted all the time for saying it.

Renting may not be the best option, but owning a home is more expensive than people think. As previous stated we have to account for property tax, maintenance, insurance and repairs,interest, and inflation. It's easy to spend 4K-5k a year on these things and then 5k a year on interest . So when you're $300,000 home sells for 350 7years later, you spent $30k to live in the home. You also have only kept up with inflation, so a $300,000 home in 2009 is worth 349k in 2016

Over the seven years you have paid 42,000 in interest, but also about the same in principal.

Your balance is 258k(300-258) you gross 92k on the sale. You net 20k(92-30k expenses, -42k interest), and when you take in to account of inflation you lost $30k

If you would have put the 50k that you put down on the house in the market and then add 4000 annual additional 10% you would have $140k

This is not something I live by, but I see how it works.
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4072 posts
Posted on 11/20/17 at 12:16 pm to
What would you say the rent is on this hypothetical $300K house?


BTW, it wasn't me who down voted your post.
Posted by ItNeverRains
37069
Member since Oct 2007
25363 posts
Posted on 11/20/17 at 12:34 pm to
quote:

Renting may not be the best option, but owning a home is more expensive than people think. As previous stated we have to account for property tax, maintenance, insurance and repairs,interest, and inflation. It's easy to spend 4K-5k a year on these things and then 5k a year on interest . So when you're $300,000 home sells for 350 7years later, you spent $30k to live in the home. You also have only kept up with inflation, so a $300,000 home in 2009 is worth 349k in 2016

Over the seven years you have paid 42,000 in interest, but also about the same in principal.



The issue I have with this is I’ve represented investors for over a decade and don’t have anyone who has not passed along ALL ownership costs plus profit margin along to the tenant. I had one guy get assessed $1000 on a roof in a townhouse in January, so he will up rent $50/mo on his tenant when time to renew lease.

Not saying your situation doesn’t happen, I simply have never seen it in real life.
Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
Member since Nov 2007
37686 posts
Posted on 11/20/17 at 12:50 pm to
In my opinion, the problem people make is when they buy expensive houses for them to live in.

I own quite a few houses and partial ownership in some commercial properties.

The house I live in is the cheapest out of all of them.

I put my money into things that make me more money. Driving a new BMW and living in a $500,000 house does not appeal to my goal of financial freedom. It's simply for posturing and dick measuring.

To to the OP: Buying a cheap house and paying it off is a FANTASTIC idea. Buying a million dollar house and thinking it is an investment is a joke.
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 11/20/17 at 12:53 pm to
Sounds like he didn't factor regular maintenance into his original rent price.
Posted by CP3LSU25
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2009
51150 posts
Posted on 11/20/17 at 3:53 pm to
I would never rent. My mortgage is the same price and most renters.
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