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Buying a condo as co-signer with son
Posted on 4/22/21 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 4/22/21 at 2:52 pm
So I have a son at LSU and next year will have two there. We are purchasing a condo for them as well as rent out third bedroom. Since it’s not my primary residence, the interest rate is around 4.25 with 20% down. Haven’t talked to lender yet, but would it be possible to put it in his name and co-sign to get a lower interest rate? Is this feasible?
Posted on 4/22/21 at 2:54 pm to AU_RX
That's probably about as low as you will get if you told them that you will be renting out the third bedroom. my rental properties are around 4-4.5%.
Posted on 4/22/21 at 3:21 pm to b-rab2
If you don’t rent that third out, does it change anything? I also have a niece coming to lsu next year.
Posted on 4/22/21 at 4:06 pm to AU_RX
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would it be possible to put it in his name and co-sign to get a lower interest rate? Is this feasible?
I may have this wrong, but assuming you have the better credit score, I don't see how adding someone with a lower score would improve your rate.
Posted on 4/22/21 at 4:59 pm to AU_RX
I would just keep in your name and say it’s a second home. Why report it as a rental when it’s mainly your kids?
Posted on 4/22/21 at 5:08 pm to Drizzt
His credit likely worse than yours and will drag the qualifying score for the loan down to his score, if he even has credit. If he isn't making income but has debts to his name, it will hurt your DTI on the loan. Just do a second home, but it has to be more than 100 miles from your primary for that. If it's within 100 miles, it'll be an investment property. Hell after they graduate, keep the place and make passive income renting it out to college kids or whoever. Let renters pay for your equity in the property while it appreciates.
This post was edited on 4/22/21 at 5:09 pm
Posted on 4/22/21 at 5:08 pm to Drizzt
if its 2nd home, then he wouldn't be able to take the 75K exemption on his property tax
Posted on 4/22/21 at 5:44 pm to AU_RX
No reason to put his name on it
Posted on 4/22/21 at 5:44 pm to ColoradoAg03
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His credit likely worse than yours and will drag the qualifying score for the loan down to his score,
And his income as a college student is probably next to nothing. Dad needs to buy the place with dad as the primary borrower for this to work.
Posted on 4/22/21 at 5:46 pm to AU_RX
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If you don’t rent that third out, does it change anything? I also have a niece coming to lsu next year.
You want your kids and their cousin to be banging other people all in the same condo?
This post was edited on 4/22/21 at 5:48 pm
Posted on 4/22/21 at 11:39 pm to AU_RX
Putting it in your son’s name as primary residence equals lower rate. You will be on the loan as an equal, non-occupying coborrower. Renting out the 3rd room is immaterial, no point in bringing that up.
As long as his score is at least 700 with 20% down then the rate should be low to mid 3’s on a primary residence loan type. This will be better than just you alone(even if you have 740+ credit) on an investment property rate in the mid 4’s. FNMA recently released an amendment to reduce their overall risk(you can Google FNMA 7% rule) and exposure to investment and second home properties, thus lifting rates on those transactions about .75% to 1% higher, effectively overnight. Now, if his credit score is 640, then yes the rate might be in the low 4s and wouldn’t matter which way you do it.
Simply put, if his credit is good, put it in his name as primary with you as non-occupying co-borrower. Conventional fixed rate mortgage 30 years. Done and done.
As long as his score is at least 700 with 20% down then the rate should be low to mid 3’s on a primary residence loan type. This will be better than just you alone(even if you have 740+ credit) on an investment property rate in the mid 4’s. FNMA recently released an amendment to reduce their overall risk(you can Google FNMA 7% rule) and exposure to investment and second home properties, thus lifting rates on those transactions about .75% to 1% higher, effectively overnight. Now, if his credit score is 640, then yes the rate might be in the low 4s and wouldn’t matter which way you do it.
Simply put, if his credit is good, put it in his name as primary with you as non-occupying co-borrower. Conventional fixed rate mortgage 30 years. Done and done.
This post was edited on 4/22/21 at 11:43 pm
Posted on 4/23/21 at 7:18 am to SomethingLikeA
Simply put if his son has no income he can't be the primary borrower. There are guidelines in place.
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Conventional loans
Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac allow non-occupant co-borrowers. When using a conventional loan, the co-signer is required to sign the loan but does not need to be on the property title. The primary borrower must show a qualified income.
Posted on 4/23/21 at 8:01 am to SomethingLikeA
All that is said here is correct- If he has income and the DTI is below 43%, then put it in his name because you would get primary residence quotes. Just guessing here but on a $250k investment with 20% down, 760 credit score, I am pulling up 4.375%. If you take the same situation for primary, conventional is 2.99% and FHA is 2.5% - Big difference in rates due to the 7% rule.
Posted on 4/23/21 at 9:43 am to TMFBB21
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All that is said here is correct- If he has income and the DTI is below 43%, then put it in his name because you would get primary residence quotes. Just guessing here but on a $250k investment with 20% down, 760 credit score, I am pulling up 4.375%. If you take the same situation for primary, conventional is 2.99% and FHA is 2.5% - Big difference in rates due to the 7% rule.
If I am reading this thread right, his son would basically need $23.5k a year in income for this to work.
20% down on $250k leave $200k to finance
at 3% note will be around $850 per month, just over $10k per year
for 43% DTI, he's looking at around $23.5k a year in income with no other debt
Posted on 4/23/21 at 10:18 am to VABuckeye
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Simply put if his son has no income he can't be the primary borrower. There are guidelines in place.
I have to respectfully disagree and say that is inaccurate. You do not have to list an employer for that borrower(the son) on the 1003. The dad can be the only income listed as well as asset source, putting down 20%.
The specific rules and regs for FNMA do not specify any certain amount needed from the son, in this case.
This post was edited on 4/23/21 at 10:21 am
Posted on 4/23/21 at 10:21 am to AU_RX
Would it help his son's credit in the future having his name (the son's name) on the loan?
This post was edited on 4/23/21 at 10:24 am
Posted on 4/23/21 at 10:46 am to windshieldman
Of course...as long as the payments are made on time. Having a blend of credit between revolving, installment, mortgage etc will help as his history grows. Once again, all on time payments and low card utilization maintained.
The son will have to understand this payment is in his name and when he buys his next primary residence years from now then this condo may need to be sold prior, OR use a lease to offset the mortgage payment(vacated primary residence allowed to use lease income to offset payment) OR if dad makes every payment then 12 months of dads payment can be documented to not count the payment. The last option may be a little tricky, however I don’t know if FNMA would care, may be gray area and underwriter discretion since it would be the son’s primary so the lease is probably the easiest(assuming he goes straight from this condo to his next home in a few years.)
The son will have to understand this payment is in his name and when he buys his next primary residence years from now then this condo may need to be sold prior, OR use a lease to offset the mortgage payment(vacated primary residence allowed to use lease income to offset payment) OR if dad makes every payment then 12 months of dads payment can be documented to not count the payment. The last option may be a little tricky, however I don’t know if FNMA would care, may be gray area and underwriter discretion since it would be the son’s primary so the lease is probably the easiest(assuming he goes straight from this condo to his next home in a few years.)
This post was edited on 4/23/21 at 10:48 am
Posted on 4/23/21 at 11:20 am to SomethingLikeA
There are going to be guidelines in place. Lenders do not want thinly veiled investor properties. It's not 2002 anymore in the lending world.
That said, there may be some limited programs available but they are unlikely to give the best interest rates available.
JMHO.
ETA: We may have to agree to disagree on this one.
That said, there may be some limited programs available but they are unlikely to give the best interest rates available.
JMHO.
ETA: We may have to agree to disagree on this one.
This post was edited on 4/23/21 at 11:22 am
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