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Blockchain meets Genetics

Posted on 2/15/18 at 8:28 pm
Posted by LSU2a
SWLA to Dallas
Member since Aug 2012
2849 posts
Posted on 2/15/18 at 8:28 pm
INTRO

The exciting and fast growing field of blockchain technology is presenting many potential use cases that have major implications for the future of our world. We have tirelessly discussed blockchain use cases involving currency, financial tech, and smart contracts, but I present to you a use case that involves the world of healthcare, big data, and privacy.


INFO

Encrypgen Incorporated is a startup that aims to create a network that allows individuals to securely store their genomic information and monetize access to that information. This service is built upon a private blockchain that allows institutions such as pharma and university researchers to purchase nodes and offer individuals DNA tokens in exchange for access to parts or the entirety of their genomic data. It also allows the individuals to more easily share that data with their doctor. Something that will become the norm very soon. Like all blockchains, the gene-chain requires a token to maintain a ledger. Encrypgen also determined that the use of a token in place of fiat currency will allow for an easier means of payment between parties in different jurisdictions to avoid the complications that use of dozens of different fiat currencies presents.


SOLUTION

Encrypgen's gene-chain solves a problem that will soon become more evident to the public-- how to securely store and share one's genomic information. It also solves many problems that researchers face when they attempt to obtain people's genomic information-- privacy regulations, expense of seeking out people with specific characteristics, and public backlash from data breaches.


SPECULATION

So what does this have to do with your finances? Well, like most cryptos, you can speculate on this particular token's future increased use by buying it. Unlike most cryptos out there, this project hasn't been over inflated with hype. Most of the crypto-community doesn't even know about it yet. That is likely to change soon.

MEDIA and MARKETING

Unlike most crypto companies, Encrypgen has focused on obtaining partnerships, clients, and developing their product before spending resources on marketing. Now that the gene-chain application will soon be released next Monday, Encrypgen is beginning to focus on public marketing. Some examples of marketing already conducted and soon to be released include a prominent booth and presentation at the Forum of Genomics in London, several interviews on major television networks, and articles on numerous news and blog sites.

TOKEN'S VALUE

If you are having a hard time imagining how this token will have any value allow me to give you an idea. A genetic research company Genetech paid 23andMe sixty million dollars for access to 2,000 customer's genetic data. That's $30,000 per person. Obviously not everyone's genetic data will be worth that, but it gives you an idea of what genetics companies are willing to give for access to this data. As genetic data becomes more relevant and cheaper to sequence we will only see interests in access to the data increase exponentially. What many people don't realize about the fast growing company 23andMe is that their true business model revolves around selling their ill-informed customer's genetic data for large sums of money.

LINKS

Company website: https://encrypgen.com/

If you use discord this is their most active community channel where you can speak to the CEO himself: https://discord.gg/bP9tb75

Genetech payment to 23andMe: https://www.forbes.com/sites/matthewherper/2015/01/06/surprise-with-60-million-genentech-deal-23andme-has-a-business-plan/#2ef502462be9

Third party report on the project and token: https://encrypgen.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Encrypgen-Final-Report-locked.pdf

DailyBeast article: https://www.thedailybeast.com/startup-wants-to-sell-your-dna-for-cryptocurrency

New CBC Interview: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/spark/385-online-dating-genetic-data-and-more-1.4538832/would-you-give-away-your-genetic-data-for-science-1.4538838

OUTRO

There is simply too much information out there for me to give you a complete picture of this speculative opportunity. Please do your own research and consider any potential investment into this token as a high risk investment. I am not your financial adviser.

I am thankful to this forum and LSUtoOmaha specifically for making us aware of Ethereum and the speculative opportunities of the crypto-space, and I would love to return the favor.

Thanks guys.



This post was edited on 2/17/18 at 3:06 pm
Posted by LSUtoOmaha
Nashville
Member since Apr 2004
26574 posts
Posted on 2/15/18 at 8:30 pm to
Would be dope if they can pull it off
Posted by LSUcam7
FL
Member since Sep 2016
7900 posts
Posted on 2/15/18 at 8:36 pm to
So will this cryptocoin give a regular cash flow back to the investor? If so, at which % yield and in which form? More of these coins?

How does an investor make money?
Posted by LSU2a
SWLA to Dallas
Member since Aug 2012
2849 posts
Posted on 2/15/18 at 8:44 pm to
quote:

So will this cryptocoin give a regular cash flow back to the investor? If so, at which % yield and in which form? More of these coins?

How does an investor make money?


So in order to avoid labeling the token as a security Encrypgen has been careful to keep its characteristics as a utility token that simply provides a means to transfer value between an individual and third party. "Investment" into the token is a speculation that the demand for the token will increase as the gene-chain's volume of transactions increases.

One exciting recent development is a new partner, Sequencing.com has expressed interests in using the token on their own genetics applications. The CEO also hinted that many genetics companies are interested in using the token in their various genetics applications to avoid having to create and manage their own blockchains. This would obviously dramatically increase demand for the token.
This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 8:46 pm
Posted by mmmmmbeeer
ATL
Member since Nov 2014
7419 posts
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:15 pm to
Seems like there's no safeguard in place to stop a buyer of your genetic sequencing to do precisely what 23andme did, turn around and sell your shite. Without regulation or some really badass coding that I'm not even sure is possible, seems like it could potentially be a one and done kind of deal. I sell my shite to a research company, my information finds its way through the system via other transactions, and I'm shite out luck.

Maybe I'm just reading this wrong?
Posted by LSU2a
SWLA to Dallas
Member since Aug 2012
2849 posts
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:26 pm to
quote:

Seems like there's no safeguard in place to stop a buyer of your genetic sequencing to do precisely what 23andme did, turn around and sell your shite. Without regulation or some really badass coding that I'm not even sure is possible, seems like it could potentially be a one and done kind of deal. I sell my shite to a research company, my information finds its way through the system via other transactions, and I'm shite out luck.

Maybe I'm just reading this wrong?


Very good point that I've seen answered on their discord in the past. Based on my recollection of the official response the data is "watermarked" and everyone's identity metadata connected to the genetic data is anonymous and not shared with the purchaser. Also, entities that have purchased a node and can acquire user's genetic data on the gene-chain have a legal agreement with Encrypgen to not share the data. So to review, the information is not connected to a person's identity, the data is marked for tracking, and only organizations that purchase a node and have a use agreement with Encrypgen will possess the data legally.
Posted by LSUcam7
FL
Member since Sep 2016
7900 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 9:55 am to
quote:

So in order to avoid labeling the token as a security Encrypgen has been careful to keep its characteristics as a utility token that simply provides a means to transfer value between an individual and third party.



Posted by LSU2a
SWLA to Dallas
Member since Aug 2012
2849 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 3:46 pm to
Cool contribution to the discussion. Would you care to explain why that is a deal breaker? Avoiding having the token be listed aa a security allows it to be more easily adopted by various institutions and simply reduces regulatory restrictions. It’s a smart move by Encrypgen. Remember, you have to look at this as a digital commodity rather than a share. The supply is fixed so the greater the demand the higher the price.
Posted by LSUcam7
FL
Member since Sep 2016
7900 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 4:05 pm to
The trend surrounding cryptocoin regulation is obviously headed in the control direction. The SEC is getting more and more involved with how ICOs are designed and how coins are used. Anything skating the line of whether it is or isn’t a security isn’t a risk I’m looking to layer onto an already aggressive investment which is in an industry in infancy.

Even more important to me; when I asked how you make money as an investor... you didn’t explain it simply. So my gut says it’s really tough to justify how a long term investor can earn a sufficient return for the risk involved.

I’ll choose to invest my hard earned money into things I know and understand. Sorry if I’ve missed your silver bullet opportunity.

quote:

Cool contribution


We cool?
This post was edited on 2/17/18 at 3:02 pm
Posted by LSU2a
SWLA to Dallas
Member since Aug 2012
2849 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 6:57 pm to
quote:

The trend surrounding cryptocoin regulation is obviously headed in the control direction.


Recent comments from the CFTC suggest that any regulations of ICOs will likely only apply to ICOs that occured after regulations are established. The ICO for the DNA token was held last summer.

quote:

The SEC is getting more and more involved with how ICOs are designed and how coins are used. Anything skating the line of wether it is or isn’t a security isn’t a risk I’m looking to layer onto an already aggressive investment which is in an industry in infancy.


The DNA token easily passes the Howey test. You can read the spero report for yourself. It is the simplest form of a utility token that you can get. It is the currency for a specific private blockchain with nothing else attached.

quote:

Even more important to me; when I asked how you make money as an investor... you didn’t explain it simply. So my gut says it’s really tough to justify how a long term investor can earn a sufficient return for the risk involved.


Fair enough, I employ the same filter when making investments. I think I provided a more simplistic investment thesis for the token in a comment above. I'll try again:

1. The supply of the token is fixed.
2. The demand for the token is likely to grow as the gene-chain is adopted and used.
3. Due to simple supply-demand mechanics the price will likely increase with demand.


quote:

I’ll choose to invest my hard earned money into things I know and understand. Sorry if I’ve missed your silver bullet opportunity.


I'm not so much trying to compel anyone to buy the token as much as I am simply informing this community of an opportunity. LSUtoOmaha and others informed us of Ethereum at a fairly early point in its adoption and I'm hoping to return the favor.

Posted by LSUtoOmaha
Nashville
Member since Apr 2004
26574 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 7:42 pm to
Alright I bought some, like 3% of my crypto portfolio. Let's hope they succeed
Posted by LSU2a
SWLA to Dallas
Member since Aug 2012
2849 posts
Posted on 2/17/18 at 3:00 pm to
quote:

Alright I bought some, like 3% of my crypto portfolio. Let's hope they succeed


Awesome

At 22million market cap and approximately $.35 per token there is massive upside potential.

Checkout the CEO's latest interview on CBC Canada:
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/spark/385-online-dating-genetic-data-and-more-1.4538832/would-you-give-away-your-genetic-data-for-science-1.4538838

The page also has the recording that you can listen to. CEO Dr. Koepsell does a good job explaining the concept of the gene-chain and the necessity for it.

There is also a new article about Encrypgen on a lesser known website here:

https://www.disruptordaily.com/disruption-by-blockchain-part-7-david-koepsell-encrypgen/
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
30542 posts
Posted on 2/17/18 at 5:02 pm to
How are you related to this company?

Does this company have a sequencing division, or would you have to transfer your DNA from a sequencing company into their system? That would present a security issue

The whole thing sounds to me like they have an actual proprietary idea (a secure DNA data transfer system), but they’re trying to throw in a coin system to get publicity. But I skimmed your posts and didn’t bother with any of your articles or any research
This post was edited on 2/17/18 at 5:17 pm
Posted by LSU2a
SWLA to Dallas
Member since Aug 2012
2849 posts
Posted on 2/17/18 at 5:40 pm to
quote:

How are you related to this company?


I invested in the ICO and have accumulated DNA tokens as the company has proven to me that they are making the right choices to grow and take advantage of their first mover status. I do not have any affiliation with Encrypgen Incorporated or their partners.

quote:

Does this company have a sequencing division, or would you have to transfer your DNA from a sequencing company into their system? That would present a security issue


They have established partnerships with two sequencing companies: Codigo46 and Genomics Personalized Health

Both of these sequencing companies are committed to their customers maintaining ownership of their personal genomic data, unlike 23andMe.

quote:

The whole thing sounds to me like they have an actual proprietary idea (a secure DNA data transfer system), but they’re trying to throw in a coin system to get publicity. But I skimmed your posts and didn’t bother with any of your articles or any research


Over the past six months there have been several competitors that have popped up but the closest competitor is over a year behind in development and do not have any clients or major partnerships like Encrypgen. Every blockchain requires a token to maintain a ledger. The added benefit of using a token as opposed to fiat currency is global accessibility due to a lack of fiat to fiat exchange.

ETA:

I just realized that you may have meant that they are using the blockchain as a means of publicity. If that was your question then the answer is a resounding no. The reason for using a blockchain rather than a more conventional data storage and logistics network is simple-- it is the only technology proven to provide a fully secure and immutable data network. It's the same reason why so many major corporations are looking at ways to utilize blockchain in their current functions.
This post was edited on 2/17/18 at 5:56 pm
Posted by LSUtoOmaha
Nashville
Member since Apr 2004
26574 posts
Posted on 3/1/18 at 8:02 am to
Up to 48 cents
Posted by ATLdawg25
Atlanta, GA
Member since Oct 2014
4370 posts
Posted on 3/1/18 at 8:16 am to
Why the increase?
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
48888 posts
Posted on 3/1/18 at 8:28 am to
This is interesting but let me see if I understand (Because I think I'm confused)

quote:

Encrypgen Incorporated is a startup that aims to create a network that allows individuals to securely store their genomic information and monetize access to that information. This service is built upon a private blockchain that allows institutions such as pharma and university researchers to purchase nodes and offer individuals DNA tokens in exchange for access to parts or the entirety of their genomic data.


- You "invest" (buy) tokens which serve as a transfer "utility" between you and, say, a doctor's office

- The doctor's office pays you money to access your health information by using the token

quote:

Encrypgen's gene-chain solves a problem that will soon become more evident to the public-- how to securely store and share one's genomic information. It also solves many problems that researchers face when they attempt to obtain people's genomic information-- privacy regulations, expense of seeking out people with specific characteristics, and public backlash from data breaches.



- So it's like a universal health portal?
Posted by LZ83
La
Member since Sep 2016
17406 posts
Posted on 3/1/18 at 10:29 am to
Where do I buy some at?
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