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re: Bitcoin improvement thread
Posted on 4/4/13 at 9:36 am to ZereauxSum
Posted on 4/4/13 at 9:36 am to ZereauxSum
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I guess it all comes back to trust anyway despite the fact that the network was designed so that trust wouldn't be necessary.
You got it.
One write up on bitcoin I saw a couple of days ago specifically said BC was founded based on mistrust....mistrust of governments, central banks, laws, etc.
Yet mistrusting bitcoin itself is becoming more evident every time one of the BC exchanges gets hacked and people lose money.
I guess you saw that "Instawallet" which is a BC "bank" for lack of a better term, was hacked yesterday and the thief made off with an estimated $4.3 million of its customers money. Instawallet has frozen all of its customers accounts for 90 days while it sorts through whose bitcoins got stolen and how, or if, it can replace their money.
Here is a link to the story: LINK
What makes the Instawallet situation really suspicious is a new owner took it over recently and not long after that, this post appeared on a bitcoin forum: "instawallets new owner stole over $40,000 from me be careful people"
I have no idea if the two incidents are related or not.
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Posted on 4/4/13 at 9:42 am to LSURussian
I was reading about that on reddit.com/r/bitcoin yesterday.
Apparently everyone is suggesting you use an offline wallet now.
I may buy a bitcoin or two just for the hell of it. That is...if I can ever completely figure out how to do so.
Apparently everyone is suggesting you use an offline wallet now.
I may buy a bitcoin or two just for the hell of it. That is...if I can ever completely figure out how to do so.
Posted on 4/4/13 at 9:46 am to gizmoflak
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Wiki, any idea when the transaction verification time will be reduced to near real-time? I'm sure this is in the works...?
As far as I know, there are no plans to change the time required for confirmation. I don't even think that could be done without a hard fork.
That being said, however, there are things in the works and ideas in the ether to "fix" this issue.
One is the use of green addresses, which are essentially special trusted addresses that the recipient trusts will not attempt a double spend, therefore, instant transactions are possible.
Another idea is basically third parties that manage transactions off of the bitcoin blockchain, and then settle up later. For instance, perhaps a company could come about that processes POS transactions for retail customers. They would ensure that all transactions are instant and legit, and then settle up later.
Posted on 4/4/13 at 9:51 am to WikiTiger
quote:So you mean they could come up with a system/process just like the one credit and debit card companies use now?
For instance, perhaps a company could come about that processes POS transactions for retail customers. They would ensure that all transactions are instant and legit, and then settle up later.
What will that do to your frequent claim of "free or very low cost of transactions"?
Posted on 4/4/13 at 9:56 am to LSURussian
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Yet mistrusting bitcoin itself is becoming more evident every time one of the BC exchanges gets hacked and people lose money.
For the record a DDoS attack =/= getting hacked.
Posted on 4/4/13 at 10:03 am to LSURussian
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What will that do to your frequent claim of "free or very low cost of transactions"?
I imagine it goes to shite quickly. Unless of course, these people are willing to work for free.
Now correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't one of Wiki's selling points that you could store them easily in wallets? Now he's saying that you shouldn't? And I'm still very unclear on his stance with inflationary vs deflationary. I almost remember him flip flopping that but I could be totally wrong here.
Posted on 4/4/13 at 10:06 am to Broke
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Now correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't one of Wiki's selling points that you could store them easily in wallets?
You can easily store them in wallets to prevent them from being stolen (via encrypting them).
I don't see using a 3rd party to store your bitcoins as being very smart.
Posted on 4/4/13 at 10:08 am to joshnorris14
quote:I'm sure that is very comforting to the Instawallet customers who lost $4.3 million.
Yet mistrusting bitcoin itself is becoming more evident every time one of the BC exchanges gets hacked and people lose money.
For the record a DDoS attack =/= getting hacked.
"Well, Mildred, at least we didn't get lose our money to hackers!"
"That's a relief!"
Posted on 4/4/13 at 10:10 am to LSURussian
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I'm sure that is very comforting to the Instawallet customers who lost $4.3 million.
Are you claiming that Instawallet is a BTC exchange?
Because your claim was "... every time one of the BC exchanges gets hacked..."
Instawallet is a storage service.
Posted on 4/4/13 at 10:14 am to joshnorris14
Posted on 4/4/13 at 10:15 am to LSURussian
I'm not incorrect though am I?
You either think a DDoS attack is hacking or that a storage service is an exchange.
Ignorant either way.
You either think a DDoS attack is hacking or that a storage service is an exchange.
Ignorant either way.
Posted on 4/4/13 at 10:38 am to joshnorris14
Gosh, joshie, ya' got me!
I'm so embarrassed!
I don't know how I will ever be able to post on this board again after having made such an important mistake in the terms I used.
This is even worse than when you got the meaning of inflation and deflation confused with each other.....
I'm so embarrassed!
I don't know how I will ever be able to post on this board again after having made such an important mistake in the terms I used.
This is even worse than when you got the meaning of inflation and deflation confused with each other.....
Posted on 4/4/13 at 10:38 am to joshnorris14
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that a storage service is an exchange.
DOes the storage service create wallets?
Posted on 4/4/13 at 1:11 pm to C
Posted on 4/4/13 at 7:43 pm to XanderCrews
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Go to the OT if you want to be a fig.
Posted on 4/4/13 at 8:01 pm to LSURussian
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BC is being used as a temporary store of value or as a speculative investment
Pretty much what the article I posted a couple of days ago argued.
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which is the universal definition of money. So as a "virtual currency" it is a failure already
To get technical, money can be an exchange vehicle, a store of value, must be easy to transact and be finely divisible.
Bitcoin does all these things although as the aforementioned article points out the "store of value" component is getting very inflated these days. To be fair, the USD in its very early days (1790-ish) fluctuated pretty violently as well.
I am not willing to say BC are the future but it clearly is getting some traction. I suspect without proof that the current price is waaaay overblown given the market size and that it will crash again. But the niche it fills isn't going away so the demand won't either.
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I have tried repeatedly to find how much BC's have been used to actually purchase goods or services and I just can't find it anywhere.
You can buy USD for it on some websites. Or you can buy illegal drugs online on Silk Road.
Posted on 4/4/13 at 9:03 pm to joshnorris14
Probably the worst wiki page I have ever seen cited.
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