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Appraisal on house
Posted on 11/14/17 at 5:25 am
Posted on 11/14/17 at 5:25 am
My wife and I put a bid on a house that was accepted. The listing agent had it at certain square footage. The appraiser apparently has measured the house several hundred less square feet and the house will not appraise for the bid price. I don't have the actual appraisal yet this is what my realtor is telling me. I am of the mind set that I should pay what the agreed upon value was per square foot. My realtor seems think they sellers will want the appraised value. I am sure their can be some compromise but the square footage was wrong on the listing and the bid was made with that figure in mind. What do the wise money folks on this board think. What options do I have other than walking away.
This post was edited on 11/14/17 at 6:06 am
Posted on 11/14/17 at 6:34 am to iron banks
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My realtor seems think they sellers will want the appraised value.
The appraiser gave the property a value. You can try to come in a little under that if you want to be difficult about it, but value per square foot means nothing at this point.
Either get a new appraisal, walk away...or the simplest answer - pay them what the property is worth.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 6:35 am to iron banks
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My realtor seems think they sellers will want the appraised value.
Take the appraisal and go from there. If they won't negotiate, walk.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 7:10 am to ATLdawg25
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The appraiser gave the property a value.
True
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pay them what the property is worth.
zero to do with the appraisal, worth is what someone is willing to pay for it.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 7:48 am to cave canem
That's why I also suggested using the appraisal value as a starting point and negotiating down if he feels it's worth less than that.
The bigger point is that cost per square foot is no longer relevant.
The bigger point is that cost per square foot is no longer relevant.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 8:37 am to iron banks
If the house is several hundred square feet smaller, I would definitely take the appraisal and reevaluate what I would pay for it. If they want more than my perceived value, then walk.
If I were buying said house, i would be in the same mindset as you, only because using the previous $ per sq/ft would benefit me. If I were selling said house, I would say typically less square feet has a higher $ per sq/ft.
If I were buying said house, i would be in the same mindset as you, only because using the previous $ per sq/ft would benefit me. If I were selling said house, I would say typically less square feet has a higher $ per sq/ft.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 8:43 am to TigerFanatic1
The house is approximately 468 sq feet smaller than listed as. I am open to a compromise but houses here are priced on square footage and appraised as such. Certainly there are more variables than just area comps but they tend to be used as a guide. I want it to be fair but keeping in mind resale down the road. I will not pay a new magic best price per sq foot in the town
Posted on 11/14/17 at 8:48 am to iron banks
Certain markets weight price per ft2 more than others. In my market it has marginal meaning to appraised value. If you agreed on 'X', contingent on appraised value being 'x', and it appraised for 'x', the square footage, while not completely irrelevant, holds much less water, assuming the house did not shrink between the period you contracted to buy and the appraisal.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 8:58 am to iron banks
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iron banks
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The house is approximately 468 sq feet smaller than listed as.
I'm not sure that you're giving us enough information. Where did the discrepancy come from? Was there a solarium or sun room that isn't heated and cooled with the rest of the home-think a patio that was closed in years after the home was constructed, etc-that was originally considered in the square footage for the listing?
If that's the case then while it is smaller in square footage you still have that as basically usable living area. It's a ticky tack type of deal for underwriters and appraisers to bicker over but if it is that type of situation then I don't think you're that far off IMO. Perhaps negotiating off the realization that you still have enclosed space but not actual according-to-Hoyle SFLA wouldn't be off-base.
But if there was just a total whiff on the SFLA measurements then the SFLA which was used for PPSF is now useless. My question is what % of the home's total SFLA does that 468 SFLA worth of mistake represent?
The Price Per Square Foot and the SFLA are big parts of what motivated you to offer on the home, relatively speaking. Look at it from a % of the home's total SFLA and then take another look at the offer and the list price. Then confer with your realtor.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 9:00 am to iron banks
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468 sq feet smaller
Sounds like they included the open car porch.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 9:10 am to GFunk
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I'm not sure that you're giving us enough information. Where did the discrepancy come from?
This. ^
There is obviously something being calculated differently between the appraiser and the listing agent/Owner.
I'm guessing a porch or garage was included in the total SF of the house. Maybe a bonus room that was built out or attic built out not permitted.
That is a lot of SF to not notice before putting in an offer. Its 22'x21' the typical size of a garage.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 10:51 am to HamCandy
There is a garage in the back that may account for that. I don't know how the error occurred at tbis time. Still waiting on the appraisal to come into to the lender for the numbers. I did not think the main house looked as big as it is but felt big because of an open floor plan.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 11:12 am to iron banks
So many things you are leaving out here. How big of a house are we talking? I mean 500 sq ft is a ton of house to be "missing"? As said, the sellers are clearly including an area that is not legally part of the sq feet. So what is the tax assessor going on?
Most importantly, how does the price you offered fit with the other prices in the neighborhood? I really don't understand how you can not know what square feet is missing? Unless we are talking about a 6000 sq foot house which by your post seems doubtful, on a house under 3000 sq feet that's a ton of square footage to be "missing"?
You need to determine what you would be willing to pay, and more importantly what someone else would be willing to pay? If you walk away and they would likely have another offer quickly even with the sq footage issue then the house would likely be worth it. The last thing you want to do, is buy the house and the sq footage be a major issue with other buyers.
The appraisal is simply an estimation on what it is worth because of the recent comparable sold homes in your area. Some appraisals are worthless as the appraiser is not from your area and they take comparable homes from one or two streets or blocks over that are completely different good or bad from your street.
Most importantly, how does the price you offered fit with the other prices in the neighborhood? I really don't understand how you can not know what square feet is missing? Unless we are talking about a 6000 sq foot house which by your post seems doubtful, on a house under 3000 sq feet that's a ton of square footage to be "missing"?
You need to determine what you would be willing to pay, and more importantly what someone else would be willing to pay? If you walk away and they would likely have another offer quickly even with the sq footage issue then the house would likely be worth it. The last thing you want to do, is buy the house and the sq footage be a major issue with other buyers.
The appraisal is simply an estimation on what it is worth because of the recent comparable sold homes in your area. Some appraisals are worthless as the appraiser is not from your area and they take comparable homes from one or two streets or blocks over that are completely different good or bad from your street.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 11:21 am to baldona
House was listed as over 3200 ft and is closer to 2750. Again, I don't have the actual appraisal in yet. The listing agent was told it was not going to appraise for the price point. The house certainly was priced over everything around it but was listed as being bigger and it suits are needs. Then again, I am not willing to over pay as I will stay in the market or keep my current home. The best comp on the street will not make up the difference in the loss of square footage.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 11:48 am to iron banks
So, they (the sellers) set the price based on the price per sqft being at 3200, and you are thinking the price from the appraisal will come back based on the 2750?
Posted on 11/14/17 at 12:11 pm to iron banks
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House was listed as over 3200 ft and is closer to 2750. Again, I don't have the actual appraisal in yet. The listing agent was told it was not going to appraise for the price point. The house certainly was priced over everything around it but was listed as being bigger and it suits are needs. Then again, I am not willing to over pay as I will stay in the market or keep my current home. The best comp on the street will not make up the difference in the loss of square footage.
Have you had a home inspection done? Because I'd be skeptical as hell about other items if they listed it that much bigger in potential hopes of making more money.
No way I'd pay over the appraisal then, if the appraisal makes the house in line with the prices in the neighborhoods right?
basically you are saying:
Appraised size = house in line with neighborhood prices
Seller's wrong size = house outprices neighborhood
Just remember, that even if you are fine paying that price that when it comes time to sell it probably won't sell for more than the appraisal. So you are basically washing the difference down the drain.
This post was edited on 11/14/17 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 11/14/17 at 12:15 pm to iron banks
Another FYI, if they are trying to include something like an enclosed garage then you need to check and see if it needed and then was properly permitted.
The last thing you want is to buy a house that isn't permitted, only to run into a costly mess in both your time and money down the line.
The last thing you want is to buy a house that isn't permitted, only to run into a costly mess in both your time and money down the line.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 12:28 pm to baldona
Im sure we are talking about $100+ a sq ft. so at least 50K
It will probably appraise for the same sqft price you are looking for, so no worries. not likely the seller has any option to sell for any more than the appraisal.
You do know comps are made and compared on a sqft basis?
so a comp might be a neighboring 3200 sq ft house valued at $100 a sq ft. appraising at 320k that extrapolates to your 2750 sq ft home appraising at 275k
It will probably appraise for the same sqft price you are looking for, so no worries. not likely the seller has any option to sell for any more than the appraisal.
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The best comp on the street will not make up the difference in the loss of square footage.
You do know comps are made and compared on a sqft basis?
so a comp might be a neighboring 3200 sq ft house valued at $100 a sq ft. appraising at 320k that extrapolates to your 2750 sq ft home appraising at 275k
Posted on 11/14/17 at 12:58 pm to HamCandy
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There is obviously something being calculated differently between the appraiser and the listing agent/Owner.
Or the appraiser was lazy
I had a 300sqft difference because the appraiser somehow measured a rectangular exterior wall 2ft smaller upstair than downstairs. A quick call fixed it,
When buying a home though, I'd probably try and push the seller to reduce price first though
This post was edited on 11/14/17 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 11/14/17 at 1:44 pm to GenesChin
Yes I understand how the comps work. This is quite simple. The agent listed the sq footage wrong by a lot. I don't want to pay anything close to what the original sq footage had the home priced at. I will probably be walking away unless the sellers agree to sell it closer to the price per sq ft we had agreed upon with inflated sq footage at the correct sq footage.
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