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re: Advice on how to handle "Dear John" email from prospective employer
Posted on 3/19/19 at 5:43 pm to Golfer
Posted on 3/19/19 at 5:43 pm to Golfer
As I was reading your bulleted list, I assumed this was a large corporation. All that for a small company? Most companies that size don't even have HR departments.
As others have said, I would send a polite e-mail to the hiring manager, thanking them, and asking for feedback.
I'm just going to throw this out here... what if
1) They decided to not hire anyone for the position
2) They decided to not hire a remote person?
You said you would be the only one in BR.
I had something similar happen to me a few years ago. I interviewed for a position that would have had me working for a company that is a vendor for CPA firms. Most of their employees work out of one office out of state. I didn't want to move. The person that would be my boss reached out to me about the position. They were completely fine with me working remotely, I would be the only person in the group to do so. However, everyone in that group (including what I would be doing) travels 30-40 percent of the time so she did not care that I wouldn't be at HQ 3 days a week. Her boss was fine as well. I had a couple of phone interviews. They flew me out to their corporate office, wined and dined, had a bunch of interviews, discussed the job at length, benefits, how working from home would work, etc.
About a week later, I get that dear john e-mail from HR.
I called up my contact and was like, what's happening. Apparently, her boss's boss (a VP) absolutely shite all over the idea of me working remotely, and demanded that a local candidate would be hired. She asked the VP if they could at least make me an offer to relocate me (knowing that I would probably say no, but they could try) and the VP shot that down as well.
It was all very odd, looking back, I'm glad it didn't go through.
As others have said, I would send a polite e-mail to the hiring manager, thanking them, and asking for feedback.
I'm just going to throw this out here... what if
1) They decided to not hire anyone for the position
2) They decided to not hire a remote person?
You said you would be the only one in BR.
I had something similar happen to me a few years ago. I interviewed for a position that would have had me working for a company that is a vendor for CPA firms. Most of their employees work out of one office out of state. I didn't want to move. The person that would be my boss reached out to me about the position. They were completely fine with me working remotely, I would be the only person in the group to do so. However, everyone in that group (including what I would be doing) travels 30-40 percent of the time so she did not care that I wouldn't be at HQ 3 days a week. Her boss was fine as well. I had a couple of phone interviews. They flew me out to their corporate office, wined and dined, had a bunch of interviews, discussed the job at length, benefits, how working from home would work, etc.
About a week later, I get that dear john e-mail from HR.
I called up my contact and was like, what's happening. Apparently, her boss's boss (a VP) absolutely shite all over the idea of me working remotely, and demanded that a local candidate would be hired. She asked the VP if they could at least make me an offer to relocate me (knowing that I would probably say no, but they could try) and the VP shot that down as well.
It was all very odd, looking back, I'm glad it didn't go through.
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Posted on 3/19/19 at 5:50 pm to Golfer
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Blast them on Glassdoor, etc. and let them have it in an email?
Do this. Then when the candidate they picked backs out last minute they’ll just skip over you and go to number 3.
Posted on 3/19/19 at 5:51 pm to Golfer
quote:"I really appreciated the opportunity to meet with you and to learn about your company. I very much regret I didn't meet your requirements but I hope you will keep me in mind in the future for further opportunities to work with your fine staff. In the meantime, go frick yourself....."
But I'm curious as to how some would handle this from here?
Posted on 3/19/19 at 6:12 pm to thegreatboudini
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Do this. Then when the candidate they picked backs out last minute they’ll just skip over you and go to number 3.
so he does not burn any bridges (of course he may not GAF now after those insulting interviews) he should just stay quiet and move on. 7 interviews is a damn insult to not be hired. blessing in disguise he does not have to work for them is how i would view it
This post was edited on 3/19/19 at 6:13 pm
Posted on 3/19/19 at 6:33 pm to Golfer
2 wrongs don’t make a right...
But that slight fact that you’d think about blasting a company like that tells me a little hint that may be a cause of not wanting to hire you (character issues) which are pretty easily identifiable in someone upon meeting them
But that slight fact that you’d think about blasting a company like that tells me a little hint that may be a cause of not wanting to hire you (character issues) which are pretty easily identifiable in someone upon meeting them
Posted on 3/19/19 at 6:41 pm to Skippy_
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But that slight fact that you’d think about blasting a company like that tells me a little hint that may be a cause of not wanting to hire you (character issues) which are pretty easily identifiable in someone upon meeting them
Oh please. Did you read through the time, work, and commitment I made to the position? And by "blast them on Glassdoor" my comments on the interview process would be matter of fact and constructive. It wasn’t going to be some profane-laden tirade.
I've been lauded in every position I've had about my ability to remain calm and respectful in conflicting situations. In fact, I took a personality assessment (MBS) for this role. It states "...good listener, natural counselor, doesn't get upset easily, has long fuse, empathetic, optimistic..."
Not to mention, if my character issues were so obvious upon meeting. Why did I progress through 3 in person interviews?
This post was edited on 3/19/19 at 8:10 pm
Posted on 3/19/19 at 7:10 pm to tigersmanager
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I would email hiring manager thank him for their time and consideration then ask if there is anything he thought I could do better in future interviews
Posted on 3/19/19 at 8:35 pm to LSUFanHouston
quote:this is irrelevant. The OP may have been a little emotional, but his underlying point is solid. If the interview process was that grueling then there wasn't more than three candidates involved. So a generic email like that (which would be fine if it were after initial screening) is really unprofessional.
1) They decided to not hire anyone for the position
2) They decided to not hire a remote person?
The advice here received is solid, take the emotion out of it and email the hiring manager like he did. But after investing that much, a tacky email like that would piss me off too
Posted on 3/19/19 at 8:54 pm to LSUFanHouston
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I'm just going to throw this out here... what if 1) They decided to not hire anyone for the position 2) They decided to not hire a remote person?
Neither of these are possible. A local executive is required based on the MOU with the BR based client.
Posted on 3/19/19 at 9:04 pm to LSUFanHouston
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I called up my contact and was like, what's happening. Apparently, her boss's boss (a VP) absolutely shite all over the idea of me working remotely, and demanded that a local candidate would be hired. She asked the VP if they could at least make me an offer to relocate me (knowing that I would probably say no, but they could try) and the VP shot that down as well.
I know this type of thing happens routinely, but its just a sign of your potential immediate supervisor being a poor decision maker and having no real authority.
You are exactly right I would bet that's likely what happened here with the OP. They decided to "go a different direction" with the position in not who they hired but what the position actually was. Likely did as you said, and made it a local hire with a lot of hire instead of a remote position or something of that nature.
That's BS though. The thing about that type of interview, is that most of the time is not traditional work hours for the person interviewing. Its often time taken away from your wife and kids. People put in a lot of time and effort for interviews. Treating them nonchalantly is very unprofessional.
This post was edited on 3/19/19 at 9:06 pm
Posted on 3/19/19 at 9:07 pm to Golfer
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Neither of these are possible. A local executive is required based on the MOU with the BR based client.
I'm checking in then, waiting for the "sorry for taking your job baw".
Posted on 3/19/19 at 9:48 pm to Golfer
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Not to mention, if my character issues were so obvious upon meeting. Why did I progress through 3 in person interviews?
"Hey Bob, get a load of this guy I'm sending over your way "to interview"."
Posted on 3/19/19 at 10:20 pm to SLafourche07
quote:
"Hey Bob, get a load of this guy I'm sending over your way "to interview"."
This theory would have some credence if one of those in person interviews didn’t involve a cross-country flight last minute, two nights in hotel, etc.
Not to mention one of the local interviews was a 1:1 with one of the execs I met with in CA that would be in BR for a series of meetings with the client. He scheduled the meeting after my on site at the CA hq.
Posted on 3/20/19 at 6:51 am to Golfer
My only advice is to not be bitter. Just learn what you can and move on.
Posted on 3/20/19 at 9:01 am to Golfer
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Move on with no acknowledgement?
Reach out to hiring manager directly for feedback? Perhaps offer candid feedback to them on how they've managed this from my perspective?
Blast them on Glassdoor, etc. and let them have it in an email?
Email the manager thanking them for the opportunity. Then move on.
Posted on 3/20/19 at 9:12 am to Golfer
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Without getting into details, the company is HQ'd in California. I'd be the only employee locally in Baton Rouge and would have to work with 4 different teams nationally and two different local clients. Hence the multitude of interviews.
Bro, if they have 35 employees, and they do 7 rounds of interviewing, I’m leaning towards you caught a break not getting the job
Sounds like they have no idea what they’re doing
This post was edited on 3/20/19 at 9:22 am
Posted on 3/20/19 at 9:14 am to Golfer
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This theory would have some credence if one of those in person interviews didn’t involve a cross-country flight last minute, two nights in hotel, etc.
Not to mention one of the local interviews was a 1:1 with one of the execs I met with in CA that would be in BR for a series of meetings with the client. He scheduled the meeting after my on site at the CA hq.
It's not about you. Someone, somewhere made a decision....they owe you nothing. It's not about you. It's not about you. You are not a client or a customer, you are just a potential source of labor.
Welcome to 2019.
Posted on 3/20/19 at 12:17 pm to baldona
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That's BS though. The thing about that type of interview, is that most of the time is not traditional work hours for the person interviewing. Its often time taken away from your wife and kids. People put in a lot of time and effort for interviews. Treating them nonchalantly is very unprofessional
Oh I agree. But in 2019, companies don't give AF about any of that. Whether you want to blame clueless management, don't give a crap HR, or attorneys telling them to never tell people they never got hired, or all three.
Posted on 3/20/19 at 12:37 pm to Golfer
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I have participated in 7 interviews for this role: 3 phone/skype, 2 in-person at local office, 1 on-site at corporate HQ in California. All told, we're looking at about 20-22 hours of interview time over a 4 week period.
Get better at math
Posted on 3/20/19 at 12:41 pm to Golfer
You’ve got every right to be pissed about how it was handled. Unfortunately as most have said it’s one you just have to take on the chin. Applying for new jobs myself right now and being given the ridiculous run-around is just apart of this overall miserable process.
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