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529 plan for private school k-12

Posted on 2/27/18 at 12:17 pm
Posted by CorkSoaker
Member since Oct 2008
9784 posts
Posted on 2/27/18 at 12:17 pm
About to open a new 529 account in order to pay for both kids’ tuition to private school. Oldest child already has MPACT (pre paid college tuition) account in her name and paid for but I haven’t set up anything yet for the youngest. I was going to put the 529 plan in the youngest child’s name but will I still be able to use it for both kids’ tuition and tax deductions if it’s just in one child’s name? Or do I have to open two different 529 accounts? Both kids attend same k-12 private school.
Posted by Brian Wilson
Member since Mar 2012
2015 posts
Posted on 2/27/18 at 12:50 pm to
**This assumes you are in Louisiana

Keep in mind. It's still not allowable under current State law.

quote:

As you may know, the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (H.R.1) has been signed into law, and it includes an expansion of the available uses of Internal Revenue Code Section 529 College Savings Plans to allow up to $10,000 of distributions each year for K -12 expenses such as private school tuition. It is important to note that this expansion will require that the Louisiana Legislature amend the current laws regarding the START Saving Program for the funds to be available for K-12 expenses. The current law provides that funds may be withdrawn only for the payment of higher education expenses. This means that the use of funds in a START Saving Program account will not be available for use for any K-12 educational expenses unless the Louisiana Legislature acts to amend the current START laws. The next Louisiana Legislative Session currently scheduled begins on March 12, 2018, and ends June 4, 2018 at 6 p.m.


That being said, they will probably treat it the same as they do higher education. Each kid will need to have their own account.
This post was edited on 2/27/18 at 12:51 pm
Posted by Shepherd88
Member since Dec 2013
4573 posts
Posted on 2/27/18 at 1:12 pm to
I’m assuming you’re in MS with MPACT plan? You can change the beneficiary from the oldest child to the younger child or vice versa if you want but you’ll need to have the account in the proper registration to pay for that child.
Meaning it can’t be commingled into 1 plan and pay for each out of that plan at the same time.
Posted by CorkSoaker
Member since Oct 2008
9784 posts
Posted on 2/27/18 at 1:23 pm to
Yes, Mississippi. I know you can’t pay for private k-12 with MPACT but you can with MACS (529) as of this year. So, I need to open 2 new 529 accounts then? One for each child? Then, what happens when tuition is due in August? I write one check to the school and just deduct that amount on our taxes the following year? I’m so confused but I feel like it shouldn’t be this difficult to understand.
Posted by Shepherd88
Member since Dec 2013
4573 posts
Posted on 2/27/18 at 1:27 pm to
If you want to be able to use the 529 for both children you’d need 2 accounts. You’d have MACs issue the check from the account to the school.
Posted by CorkSoaker
Member since Oct 2008
9784 posts
Posted on 2/27/18 at 1:32 pm to
Thanks! So, am I too late starting this process if I intend to pay for both childrens’ tuition In August? Would I need to make a lump deposit to start out (enough to cover both kids tuition in full) then a monthly contribution from here on after? Is that the norm?

Posted by CorkSoaker
Member since Oct 2008
9784 posts
Posted on 2/27/18 at 1:34 pm to
And now I’m completely overwhelmed
Posted by Shepherd88
Member since Dec 2013
4573 posts
Posted on 2/27/18 at 1:37 pm to
One of the main benefits for the 529 is the tax free growth, so with such a short window you’re not really gonna have enough time to gain that benefit of compounded returns growing tax free. Having said that I think you get a state tax deduction for your MACs contribution so you’ll pick up somewhat of a benefit there over just funding it from your pocket.
Posted by CorkSoaker
Member since Oct 2008
9784 posts
Posted on 2/27/18 at 1:42 pm to
Ok that’s what I thought. Thanks. So, I’ll see more tax benefits later down the road but for the time being I can deduct all contributions to MACS (529) and MPACT when I do my taxes? I mean, either way the new law is a good thing for private school families. I just wish I would have started contributing years ago.

Since I’m trying to make up for lost time, is it better to be a little more aggressive with my allocations for now?
Posted by Shepherd88
Member since Dec 2013
4573 posts
Posted on 2/27/18 at 2:36 pm to
Your tax professional or tax software should help you identify what can/can’t be deducted. I’m not positive on that answer but I do know the deduction should be available. As far as risk profile, if you’re planning on using that money pretty soon I wouldn’t be reaching for extra returns. The sooner you need the money the more conservative it should be as a rule of thumb.
Posted by ODP
Conroe
Member since Oct 2015
1938 posts
Posted on 2/27/18 at 2:48 pm to
quote:

Ok that’s what I thought. Thanks. So, I’ll see more tax benefits later down the road but for the time being I can deduct all contributions to MACS (529) and MPACT when I do my taxes? I mean, either way the new law is a good thing for private school families. I just wish I would have started contributing years ago.

Since I’m trying to make up for lost time, is it better to be a little more aggressive with my allocations for now?


You cannot deduct contributions on your fed return.

With such a short window, it's risky to be aggressive. If the stock market were to dip or correct, you would be out of money without time to recoup. Make sense?
Posted by fatboydave
Fat boy land
Member since Aug 2004
17979 posts
Posted on 2/27/18 at 3:15 pm to
any word if they will change the Start program rgus session?
Posted by CorkSoaker
Member since Oct 2008
9784 posts
Posted on 2/27/18 at 3:16 pm to
quote:

You cannot deduct contributions on your fed return.


According to the state treasury of MS website, it shows it is deductible (for 2018 tax year)
Posted by ODP
Conroe
Member since Oct 2015
1938 posts
Posted on 2/27/18 at 3:47 pm to
quote:

According to the state treasury of MS website, it shows it is deductible (for 2018 tax year)



That's your state return not your fed.
Posted by CorkSoaker
Member since Oct 2008
9784 posts
Posted on 2/27/18 at 3:55 pm to
Gotcha.
Posted by CorkSoaker
Member since Oct 2008
9784 posts
Posted on 2/28/18 at 9:33 am to
Last question....so what’s the best way, as a parent with 2 young kids in private school, to take the most advantage of his new law?
Posted by ODP
Conroe
Member since Oct 2015
1938 posts
Posted on 2/28/18 at 9:45 am to
quote:

Last question....so what’s the best way, as a parent with 2 young kids in private school, to take the most advantage of his new law?



Open it when they were born.

The 529 works better as a saving vehicle for college, b/c it gives the parent a much longer period to save and take advantage of earnings growth tax free.

You get a small benefit on your state taxes in the short term, but using it in this fashion isn't really going to allow you to be aggressive with your investment strategy.

My advice, decide how much you can afford for both K-12 and college. Put a % in more aggressive funds for college savings and for the K-12 just put it in the guaranteed option.

Does this make sense to you?
Posted by CorkSoaker
Member since Oct 2008
9784 posts
Posted on 2/28/18 at 10:13 am to
Yes, however one child already has an MPACT completely paid for, which equals 4 year tuition at MS university. I guess she will have to go to state.

I now regret doing MPACT and wish I would have opened 529 instead. Lesson learned. Will open one now
This post was edited on 2/28/18 at 10:16 am
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 2/28/18 at 10:47 am to
If the MPACT is anything like the AL version, they’ll give you that “in state tuition” rate for MS to go towards any higher ed school, public or private.

My parents had the AL version setup for all 4 of us and none of us went to an AL university. We all got the equivalent paid for at LSU or Private U we attended.
Posted by Shepherd88
Member since Dec 2013
4573 posts
Posted on 2/28/18 at 11:45 am to
You can also do a lump sum rollover from MPACT into a 529.
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