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1031 Exchange Question
Posted on 12/17/20 at 4:23 pm
Posted on 12/17/20 at 4:23 pm
I will likely be selling an investment property(single family home in Dallas) and I have my eye on a house that includes some acreage in Arkansas. I would like to do a 1031 exchange and acquire the Arkansas property. I plan to list it on AirBnb/VRBO and also see if I could lease any of the land out.
I asked my CPA about this to start getting feelers and she stated that she would not feel comfortable performing the tax return if I would use this new property for any personal use.
Does anyone have similar experience with this type of situation? What if it was listed permanently on an airbnb site and I use it occasionally as well? How would anyone be the wiser? Thanks
I asked my CPA about this to start getting feelers and she stated that she would not feel comfortable performing the tax return if I would use this new property for any personal use.
Does anyone have similar experience with this type of situation? What if it was listed permanently on an airbnb site and I use it occasionally as well? How would anyone be the wiser? Thanks
Posted on 12/17/20 at 4:32 pm to HBomb
quote:1031 has to be “in like kind”. Do you currently use your rental on occasions? I too would be suspicious and uneasy if I were your CPA.
What if it was listed permanently on an airbnb site and I use it occasionally as well?
Posted on 12/17/20 at 5:05 pm to HBomb
"Like Kind property" is left pretty open for interpretation by the qualified intermediaries who facilitate the transaction. As long as each property is income producing, most will be comfortable with the the exchange you described. Reach out to a few and bring a favorable opinion to your CPA who should then sign off on it.
This post was edited on 12/17/20 at 5:07 pm
Posted on 12/17/20 at 5:06 pm to jimbeam
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Do you currently use your rental on occasions?
No, I actually only closed on it 2 weeks ago. My intention was to renovate and rent. Didn’t get there though.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 5:09 pm to New Boy
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Did you ever rent it?
No. I only closed on it 2 weeks ago. I was immediately approached by an investor to sell.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 5:11 pm to HBomb
You got two issues.
1) If it becomes personal property, how do you get the 121 home sale exclusion (since your gain will be higher due to the deferred gain from the 1031 exchange).
2) How do you prevent the IRS from applying step doctrine and blowing up the 1031 exchange and forcing you to pay the tax on the gain in the exchange year (and this may happen on audit several years later).
In order to take advantage of the Sec 121 home sale exclusion, you have to hold the new property for 5 full years (in addition to having it be your personal residence for 2 years of those 5).
To make sure the IRS doesn't toss out the original 1031 exchange deferral, You have to prove that you intended to keep the new property as investment, but that situations changed after you acquired the replacement property.
There is a safe harbor available, the IRS won't toss the original 1031...
1) You have to own the replacement property for at least 24 months
2) divide that 24 month period into two equal 12 month periods
3) you must rent out the house for at least 14 days, at a fair market rent, during each period
4) your personal use can't exceed the greater of a) 14 days or b) 10 percent of the rental days, during each period.
If you fail the safe harbor, then you can try to argue facts and circumstances and intent at the IRS. There are no guarantees there.
I think your CPA has a right to be concerned, if you were my client, I would probably have you sign something saying your intention was to keep it as investment property. That's to protect me, by the way, not you =)
1) If it becomes personal property, how do you get the 121 home sale exclusion (since your gain will be higher due to the deferred gain from the 1031 exchange).
2) How do you prevent the IRS from applying step doctrine and blowing up the 1031 exchange and forcing you to pay the tax on the gain in the exchange year (and this may happen on audit several years later).
In order to take advantage of the Sec 121 home sale exclusion, you have to hold the new property for 5 full years (in addition to having it be your personal residence for 2 years of those 5).
To make sure the IRS doesn't toss out the original 1031 exchange deferral, You have to prove that you intended to keep the new property as investment, but that situations changed after you acquired the replacement property.
There is a safe harbor available, the IRS won't toss the original 1031...
1) You have to own the replacement property for at least 24 months
2) divide that 24 month period into two equal 12 month periods
3) you must rent out the house for at least 14 days, at a fair market rent, during each period
4) your personal use can't exceed the greater of a) 14 days or b) 10 percent of the rental days, during each period.
If you fail the safe harbor, then you can try to argue facts and circumstances and intent at the IRS. There are no guarantees there.
I think your CPA has a right to be concerned, if you were my client, I would probably have you sign something saying your intention was to keep it as investment property. That's to protect me, by the way, not you =)
Posted on 12/17/20 at 5:13 pm to HBomb
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No. I only closed on it 2 weeks ago. I was immediately approached by an investor to sell.
How much gain are you going to have? It would be short term of course. If it's not much, I'd consider just paying it now. If the GOP loses Georgia senate races, tax rates are going up, and that could include changes to basis rules and capital gains and god knows what else kind of uncertainty.
If it's 100K, then that's different.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 5:18 pm to LSUFanHouston
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How much gain are you going to have?
70k
Posted on 12/17/20 at 5:24 pm to HBomb
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70k
Yeah, without knowing the rest of your tax situation, that's probably an amount worthy of deferral.
I'd stick to the safe harbor I outlined if I were you.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 5:47 pm to HBomb
I have dealt with a lot of 1031s down here at the beach, the fact that it is rental or not is immaterial to meeting the criteria...find a new CPA
Posted on 12/17/20 at 6:11 pm to LSUFanHouston
Thanks, this is good information
I have a call scheduled with a 1031 intermediary company tomorrow. Hopefully this will not be too tough for them to handle
I have a call scheduled with a 1031 intermediary company tomorrow. Hopefully this will not be too tough for them to handle
Posted on 12/17/20 at 8:20 pm to SalE
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I have dealt with a lot of 1031s down here at the beach, the fact that it is rental or not is immaterial to meeting the criteria...
Uhh... personal use property is specifically excluded.
If you deal with it at the beach, my guess is you have a lot of rentals who do this, and occasionally some of what the IRS calls "vacation houses".
Now, like anything else... it only matters if you get caught...
Posted on 12/17/20 at 8:38 pm to LSUFanHouston
I've been studying 1031s for years and almost did one on a recent sale. I decided it just didn't fit my circumstances (it is an absurdly and irrationally restrictive rule, as are many exclusions and deferral rules). And I didn't want to invite audits. The scheme I had in mind was legal, but some aspects were backed by only letter rulings.
Anyway, one thing I pondered a lot was, is the IRS really going to go through a shite ton of investigation on a dinky transaction like this? Trying to determine subjective intent from circumstances, the substantiation of which is easily manipulated and fabricated.
Probably. They go after wait staff, so why not mom and pop for selling a modest rental home?
Anyway, one thing I pondered a lot was, is the IRS really going to go through a shite ton of investigation on a dinky transaction like this? Trying to determine subjective intent from circumstances, the substantiation of which is easily manipulated and fabricated.
Probably. They go after wait staff, so why not mom and pop for selling a modest rental home?
Posted on 12/17/20 at 11:05 pm to McLemore
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is the IRS really going to go through a shite ton of investigation on a dinky transaction like this?
The IRS said this week that basically, they don't have the money or expertise to after rich/complex transactions, the "dinky" ones don't bring in a lot of money per transaction, but they are easy.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 7:34 am to LSUFanHouston
I’m at the beach and hear stories of people 1031 property at home and buying beach rentals all the time. This is anecdotal certainly, but I know of multiple people that did it with commercial property from home to a beach condo. That’s not similar in anyone’s view.
Imo OP it depends on 2 situations, are you trying to turn it into a rental that you get some minor personal use out of or are you buying a 2nd home you will occasionally rent as a hobby business? If the former you are good if the latter likely not.
Imo OP it depends on 2 situations, are you trying to turn it into a rental that you get some minor personal use out of or are you buying a 2nd home you will occasionally rent as a hobby business? If the former you are good if the latter likely not.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 7:37 am to baldona
If OP only owned the original property for 2 weeks, how can any ‘original intent’ of the first property be determined? For all we know his original intention was to rent it out as a short term rental. He sold and is now buying a 2nd short term rental.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 9:04 am to baldona
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If OP only owned the original property for 2 weeks, how can any ‘original intent’ of the first property be determined? For all we know his original intention was to rent it out as a short term rental. He sold and is now buying a 2nd short term rental.
Exactly. I just don't see how the IRS could prove otherwise. FWIW, I have a few other rentals that I have reported on my tax return for the past 7 years.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 1:29 pm to baldona
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I’m at the beach and hear stories of people 1031 property at home and buying beach rentals all the time. This is anecdotal certainly, but I know of multiple people that did it with commercial property from home to a beach condo. That’s not similar in anyone’s view.
Actually, a commercial property that's rented out and a beach residential property that is rented out, is considered similar property for those rules. The key is, they are both being rented out, and neither is a personal use property (occasional use of the beach house for personal use is ok provided you meet the safe harbor above).
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