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re: WR Corps - What is the issue here?
Posted on 11/19/18 at 1:17 pm to Breauxfessor
Posted on 11/19/18 at 1:17 pm to Breauxfessor
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Posted on 11/19/18 at 1:21 pm to thunderbird1100
I know people here will just call me out for making excuses, but the WR corps is insanely young. This isn’t the first time LSU had problems with young players dropping balls. Then turn out to be excellent players later in their career.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 1:22 pm to kingbob
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2. Bad route design
Totally agree.
It's like we NEVER see trips wide with crossing routes to the shallow man for a sure five yards. This is almost a gimmie play every time when the DBs are playing a little off. If the DBs are playing tight then the WR takes a deeper route on the route tree.
I seriously doubt LSU WRs even have a route tree. They just rely on their physical abilities. Just think how good they could be if they were taught and practiced a little football tactics.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 1:25 pm to Prominentwon
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This isn’t the first time LSU had problems with young players dropping balls. Then turn out to be excellent players later in their career.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 1:27 pm to Prominentwon
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I know people here will just call me out for making excuses, but the WR corps is insanely young. This isn’t the first time LSU had problems with young players dropping balls. Then turn out to be excellent players later in their career.
This is a terrible excuse - ie look at Bama's WRs (ALL sophmores and a freshman), BUT:
Chase and Marshall are young...no one else is really young.
Dillion and Giles are 4th year guys
Anderson and Sullivan are 3rd year guys
Jefferson is a 2nd year guy
This post was edited on 11/19/18 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 11/19/18 at 1:34 pm to thunderbird1100
do you really think that it's the coaches fault if the receiver drops a pass!
Posted on 11/19/18 at 1:34 pm to thunderbird1100
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Jefferson is a 2nd year guy
It's really the first year he's gotten any reps. His sophomore year reminds me a lot of Odell's soph year. Statistically they're almost exactly the same. And Odell had issues with drops as well.
Odell 2012: 43 receptions 713 yards (16.6 ypc) 2 TDs
Jefferson 2018: 45 receptions 725 yards (16.1 ypc) 3 TDs
Both came in the first year of a transfer QB.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 1:48 pm to kingbob
quote:I'm your one upvote, I agree.
1. They can't catch
2. Bad route design
3. Not enough zip on their cuts to get separation
4. They play small, i.e. they don't use their large frames to their advantage
quote:There's one other aspect, that factors in with KingBob's #4 above: When you catch with your body, and not your hands, it makes it easier for the defender to get to the ball and harder for a WR to use his body to create space.
It appears that LSU WR's are being taught (or permitted) to let the ball hit their bodies and pads instead of catching the ball with their hands.
Sure, there are some situations that call for a "cradle" or "basket" catch, but elite WR's catch the ball with their hands on 90% of their catches.
Notice when they do catch it often there's a defender draped on them. There's not much separation from routes to start with, then the advantage of size is being squandered on the actual catch.
How does this affect straightforward drops instead of 'contested catches'? Concentration. When you're hand fighting for every catch, you're handfighting in your mind for every catch... and lose concentration.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 1:50 pm to countrytiger60
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do you really think that it's the coaches fault if the receiver drops a pass!
One WR dropping one pass? No
Multiple WR's dropping multiple passes (to the point that is almost laughable)? Yes.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 1:51 pm to thunderbird1100
quote:
look at Bama's WRs (ALL sophmores and a freshman), BUT:
Bama
Bama
Bama
Bama
Bama
This is the only answer for anything here.
I don’t even know why I post on this board anymore.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 1:55 pm to thunderbird1100
The talent is there, the work ethic is not.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 2:04 pm to I20goon
quote:I hear ya, but I disagree. Catching a ball is muscle memory and reflex action. Not something you think about during the 1/10th of a second or so that the catch occurs. Obviously if your mind is wandering, you won't get far as a WR in the SEC.
How does this affect straightforward drops instead of 'contested catches'? Concentration. When you're hand fighting for every catch, you're handfighting in your mind for every catch... and lose concentration.
Making the 12 or so different catches takes time and constat practice. Example: At a good golf course watch what happens after 18 holes. All the hacks are in the clubhouse eating and drinking, etc All the scratch golfers are out chipping, putting, or on the range working on shots they need to improve.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 2:10 pm to Prominentwon
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Bama
Bama
Bama
Bama
Bama
This is the only answer for anything here.
I don’t even know why I post on this board anymore.
Can you have a discussion?
You said our WR corps is "young" - only a few players in it are really young. I also pointed out it's an excuse to call a WR corps young for what you were pointing out when a team in our division has one of the best WR corps in the country and among the clear top 4 guys there not a single one is beyond their 2nd year there.
So again, what does being young have to do with catching footballs and/or getting open? Alabama has had zero issues with their Top 4 guys who are all sophomores and 1 freshman.
We have 2 4th year players, 2 3rd year players, a 2nd year guy and 2 1st year guys. Seems like they would be at a distinct disadvantage going by your theory, no? Heck we have a player who had over a thousand yards in a season and he's fricking terrible now, how does that happen?
This post was edited on 11/19/18 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 11/19/18 at 2:12 pm to thunderbird1100
Not a strong culture of accountability and willingness to go the extra mile on offense as it is on defense.
It makes little sense that the defense is so excellent and the offense is so underwhelming. That's not one team, one heartbeat.
It makes little sense that the defense is so excellent and the offense is so underwhelming. That's not one team, one heartbeat.
This post was edited on 11/19/18 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 11/19/18 at 2:47 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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90% of a WR's responsibility is blocking and decoy routes.
They also can't block worth a shite. 11 games into the season. We have 2 wide receiver coaches.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 3:08 pm to countrytiger60
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countrytiger60
LSU Fan
Larose
quote:No bias.
do you really think that it's the coaches fault if the receiver drops a pass!
The HC is at fault, just like Miles can't develop QBs although he's never been a QB coach.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 3:28 pm to GumboPot
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Totally agree. It's like we NEVER see trips wide with crossing routes to the shallow man for a sure five yards. This is almost a gimmie play every time when the DBs are playing a little off. If the DBs are playing tight then the WR takes a deeper route on the route tree. I seriously doubt LSU WRs even have a route tree. They just rely on their physical abilities. Just think how good they could be if they were taught and practiced a little football tactics.
I wish we could just clean house on the offensive side of the ball. They've been underwhelming in most every single area. Admittedly,I know very little about Mickey Joseph. When he was brought in, was he considered to be a good hire?
Posted on 11/19/18 at 3:46 pm to LouisianaLonghorn
Mickey Joseph was brought in to recruit the New Orleans area, as he is a younger coach than some, and played at Archbishop Shaw High School in Marrero.
It is 11 games into the season and receivers are still not up to snuff for a Division I, SEC, school. If they work 90% on blocking or what-have-you at practice and not catching the ball, should not a coach, on staff, ooooooooooooooooh, I don't know.....ADJUST the practice schedule so that they learn to catch and hold onto the ball?
It is 11 games into the season and receivers are still not up to snuff for a Division I, SEC, school. If they work 90% on blocking or what-have-you at practice and not catching the ball, should not a coach, on staff, ooooooooooooooooh, I don't know.....ADJUST the practice schedule so that they learn to catch and hold onto the ball?
Posted on 11/19/18 at 3:54 pm to thunderbird1100
I also think that it could be a product of playing 6-7 WRs every game. They’ve lost valuable reps and can’t gain good chemistry with Burrow.
If it were me I’d go with Jefferson, Marshall and Chase a majority of the time.
I’d use the others in special packages. Sullivan/Anderson in situations that call for size and Dillon/Giles/Kirklin in situations that call for speed.
If it were me I’d go with Jefferson, Marshall and Chase a majority of the time.
I’d use the others in special packages. Sullivan/Anderson in situations that call for size and Dillon/Giles/Kirklin in situations that call for speed.
This post was edited on 11/19/18 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 11/19/18 at 4:02 pm to Prominentwon
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I know people here will just call me out for making excuses, but the WR corps is insanely young. This isn’t the first time LSU had problems with young players dropping balls. Then turn out to be excellent players later in their career.
Odell had some drop issues his freshman year, I remember people bitching about it. JJ2 had a terrible game, but he's had the best hands of the group over the season. Better routes too. But I still think we have more skilled guys available than we have in recent years. Except when they drop the damn ball. I think we would be better off throwing it long more, I feel like a couple of our guys are half decent at adjusting to those throws. The ones they drop tend to be the easier ones.
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