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re: Why LSU shouldn't be afraid to hire an assistant:
Posted on 6/19/21 at 11:24 am to SammyTiger
Posted on 6/19/21 at 11:24 am to SammyTiger
The number of coaches who have proven they can win isn’t very big. The number of coaches who have proven they can sustain a program is tiny. If you’re looking for proof of something, you’re handcuffing yourself from finding the best coach and best fit for LSU and what college baseball is now.
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Posted on 6/19/21 at 11:24 am to doubleb
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SW has a reputation of big hires. He has created that imsge st each of his stops so that now people herd expect a big, big splash.
i hope this is just a media narrative. It's cringey to think that is a real thing
Posted on 6/19/21 at 11:29 am to Adajax
quote:I won’t support Bianco. He HAS proven that he can build a program and then not get over the hump. The narrative that he would be able to do it at LSU because of recruiting is a joke. Vitello has already matched him in 3 full years at Tennessee. fricking Tennessee. Where they have the second worst facilities in the SEC, compete with Arky, Louisville, UGA and Vandy for recruits, and only spend 600k on a coach.
I'll support whomever he hires until I have reason not to.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 11:29 am to Lester Earl
I’d rather an unproven assistant than a proven non championship coach.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 11:30 am to Champs
Skip BertRAM!!!!!
Posted on 6/19/21 at 11:35 am to Lester Earl
quote:it’d be a damn good hire.
Hire Jake Gautreau and be done with it.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 11:36 am to Hold That Tiger 10
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If Skip is your bar, prepare to be disappointed
This people need to understand it’s a different game now. Well the game is not different but the amount of teams that truly are competing for a NC have exponentially increased in the last 25 years.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 11:37 am to Lester Earl
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Hire Jake Gautreau and be done with it.
Over Scott Brown?
Posted on 6/19/21 at 11:47 am to Lester Earl
Aren't all head coaches former assistant coaches?
Posted on 6/19/21 at 11:47 am to Chad504boy
I think several things are working against Brown, including the outlier recruiting measures Vanderbilt is able to recruit by, and his unfamiliarity recruiting the region. He's a northeast guy, and if you look at their past rosters, you see they recruit the northeast hard, as well as Florida, GA, and Tenn. They don't recruit much west of Alabama, which is LSU's recruiting ground. I am sure he is a good coach, he just may not be the fit for LSU.
Gautreau, on the other hand, has recruited Louisiana while at Tulane and continues to do so at Miss St. He has Texas ties, and obviously deep roots in Mississippi now. From his experience at Tulane, also got a taste on a national scale.
Gautreau, on the other hand, has recruited Louisiana while at Tulane and continues to do so at Miss St. He has Texas ties, and obviously deep roots in Mississippi now. From his experience at Tulane, also got a taste on a national scale.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 11:47 am to Lester Earl
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i hope this is just a media narrative. It's cringey to think that is a real thing
It’s conventional wisdom.
Peterson
Jimbo
Mulkey
?????
Posted on 6/19/21 at 11:48 am to Lester Earl
Skip Bertman, Miami assistant, was hired to lead an LSU program that had no fanfare and not much national success. There was almost no pressure on him.
All of these other coaches listed took jobs, with the exception of Florida and Miss. State, where baseball had not made a huge impact nationally and probably not even locally. You can afford to learn on the job at a place that has not been a factor.
You can argue Canizzaro was a failure based on his inability to handle his off-the-field business at Miss. State. He only went to 1 super regional and self-destructed off the field before his tenure really took hold. Whether that's an inability to handle the pressure of a job like Miss. State or just an inability to have self-discipline, his tenure had to be a big disappointment in Starkville.
LSU is not a job where you learn how to be a head coach. Not with six national chammpionships, a fanbase that expects you to be in Omaha almost every year and a program that is one of the few to make money.
All of these other coaches listed took jobs, with the exception of Florida and Miss. State, where baseball had not made a huge impact nationally and probably not even locally. You can afford to learn on the job at a place that has not been a factor.
You can argue Canizzaro was a failure based on his inability to handle his off-the-field business at Miss. State. He only went to 1 super regional and self-destructed off the field before his tenure really took hold. Whether that's an inability to handle the pressure of a job like Miss. State or just an inability to have self-discipline, his tenure had to be a big disappointment in Starkville.
LSU is not a job where you learn how to be a head coach. Not with six national chammpionships, a fanbase that expects you to be in Omaha almost every year and a program that is one of the few to make money.
This post was edited on 6/19/21 at 11:52 am
Posted on 6/19/21 at 11:49 am to Le Tenia
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Aren't all head coaches former assistant coaches?
not much of a critical thinker, are you
Posted on 6/19/21 at 11:49 am to Hold That Tiger 10
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If Skip is your bar, prepare to be disappointed.
Not really. The bar to equal Skip's success at LSU is only slightly more than Mainieri accomplished. Had LSU won in '17, and won a couple more Supers at home to get to Omaha, Mainieri's legacy would be considered on par with Skip's legacy because of the tremendous increase in the level of competition in the SEC and around college baseball. It's just harder to win the CWS now than in the 90's.
There are several coaches out there who could likely come very close to accomplishing the above and possibly more.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 11:53 am to doubleb
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t’s conventional wisdom.
Peterson
Jimbo
Mulkey
?????
Oh no, i get it.
I just wonder how much of that is chance an timing as opposed to having to hire a big name or nothing else.
Im not familiar with the Peterson stuff but the other 2 were somewhat of outliers, as A&M threw an unprecedented contract at Jimbo, and KMR has deep LA ties & is getting older. Probably the one place she'd ever leave Baylor for.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 11:55 am to Hold That Tiger 10
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If Skip is your bar, prepare to be disappointed.
I’m just saying the next great coach might be an assistant right now.
Do I expect that SW finds him? No I do not but to think there can’t be people waiting in the wings to become the next great coach goes against everything we know about people and sports.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 11:58 am to Lester Earl
Peterson wasn’t leaving Boise State. ADs had tried, but Peterson kept saying no. That is until SW came calling and the rest is history. That was SW’s first big hire I believe.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 12:02 pm to Domeskeller
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where baseball had not made a huge impact nationally and probably not even locally. You can afford to learn on the job at a place that has not been a factor.
I mean, we have the benefit of hindsight, and it tells us it is not that risky as you are alluding to.
McDonnell went to the CWS in year 1, won the conference in Y3
Vitello won 40g in Y2 & is in the CWS in year 3
KOS went to Super Reg year 2, CWS year 3, and was national runner up year 4.
It’s not rocket science
Posted on 6/19/21 at 12:09 pm to sportjunkie69
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Not really. The bar to equal Skip's success at LSU is only slightly more than Mainieri accomplished
Wait. You are saying that Mainieri's 1 NC over a 15 year span is only SLIGHTLY less than Skips 5 NCs over 10 years?
There is no point in even having a conversation with some of you.
This post was edited on 6/19/21 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 6/19/21 at 12:13 pm to Geaux wylder
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Has there ever been a coach just go directly to head coach lol this is silly
Can you not fricking read?
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