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re: Why do people question LSU's commitment to basketball?
Posted on 3/5/12 at 2:31 pm to Bubba Hotep
Posted on 3/5/12 at 2:31 pm to Bubba Hotep
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This is a typical LSU urban legend
While you are right....
LSU is one of a few universities that make money in Baseball.
A lot of teams make a lot more money on Basketball than LSU.
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Posted on 3/5/12 at 2:31 pm to Topwater Trout
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Basketball should be 2nd w/ baseball 3rd. Should be based on profitability.
is LSU basketball more profitable than the baseball program?
that's probably a complicated question to answer (if you count everything) but my perception has been there isn't a ton of revenue generated from basketball games
Posted on 3/5/12 at 2:33 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
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my bad dog.
No problem. Let's not get fan and message board discussion, mixed up with administration commitment. If you asked Joe Alleva to pick right now between a College World Series or a Final Four (or even a Sweet 16), there is no doubt he would pick basketball.
And the difference in funding between the two comes from NCAA tournament shares, which are huge in basketball.
Posted on 3/5/12 at 2:34 pm to Bubba Hotep
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But people have been questioning it for years. This is not something new.
Because we haven't had a solid coach since Dale Brown when we were going to the tournament almost every year. Brady was option #29 because we were under bad times and TJ looked like a good hire but come to find out the guy just ran into 2 great 7 footers at Stanford and perhaps did a good job at Nevada (can't remember the players he had specifically) but has underachieved a bit here after his first season in all phases of basketball (on the court and recruiting).
Brady is now at a bad mid-major and if we were to fire TJ he would probably end up at a lower tier big school or mid-major. Neither is a big time basketball coach.
This post was edited on 3/5/12 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 3/5/12 at 2:35 pm to molsusports
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is LSU basketball more profitable than the baseball program?
Yes. I would think so at least. Those baseball luxury boxes have to be making LSU some good money.
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but my perception has been there isn't a ton of revenue generated from basketball games
If you go to the games and see a half empty arena most games it would lead me to believe they could almost double profits. Double is probably overstating it but with concessions and tickets it would have to be substantial IMO.
Posted on 3/5/12 at 2:35 pm to thunderbird1100
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perhaps did a good job at Nevada (can't remember the players he had specifically)
Who is Nick Fazekas.
Posted on 3/5/12 at 2:35 pm to molsusports
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is LSU basketball more profitable than the baseball program?
that's probably a complicated question to answer (if you count everything) but my perception has been there isn't a ton of revenue generated from basketball games
Revenues and profits are 2 different things. I think we definitely get more revenue in baseball, but probably less profit than basketball. Baseball is not cheap.
Posted on 3/5/12 at 2:36 pm to thunderbird1100
Only question I have is... can we get someone better? If so I so do it.
Posted on 3/5/12 at 2:40 pm to Bubba Hotep
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They hired Trent Johnson. It was considered a very good hire at the time. He had taken two different teams to Sweet 16s. He is paid a very competitive salary. I'm sure there was not 100 percent agreement in hiring Johnson, but when is there 100 percent agreement on any hire? There wasn't with Saban or Miles.
It hasn't worked out. It happens
The administration doesn't seem to think it hasn't worked out.
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When Florida hired Zook, did anyone question their commitment to football?
No, because they fired him in his third year for having a better SEC record than Trent Johnson does.
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When Kentucky hired Gillespie did anyone question their commitment to basketball?
No, because they fired him after two years (or 3?) when he wasn't getting the job done.
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Bad hires happen. They have happened in basketball at North Carolina, Kentucky, Illinois, Arkansas, UCLA and many others with better hoops pedigrees than LSU
Yep, and they get corrected when they do. But not so far at LSU with Johnson.
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LSU has just spent a lot of money on the new practice facility. I'm sure LSU's overall basketball budget could be increased, but can anyone really point to lack of funding as a reason for any losses we have experienced over the years? Budgets aside, I doubt Trent has ever been turned down for any legit expenditures.
So, why do you think LSU doesn't care about basketball?
Because Trent Johnson is still the head coach and likely will be next season, too.
An elite basketball school would not put up with his performance. We would not put up with it in football or baseball. But basketball is different for some reason.
This post was edited on 3/5/12 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 3/5/12 at 2:42 pm to thunderbird1100
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Revenues and profits are 2 different things. I think we definitely get more revenue in baseball, but probably less profit than basketball. Baseball is not cheap.
I understand that but if Trent is making in the neighborhood of 1.5 million and Manieri is making around 500-600k that's a little bit different to start with (gives you maybe a million to cover traveling expenses on the year).
I expect people could debate the breakdown of both guy's salaries tho - because I think some of the money for one or both is from TAF or advertising rather than directly from LSU.
Posted on 3/5/12 at 2:42 pm to Nuts4LSU
Okay tell me which year prior to this one you would have fired him?
Gillespie NEVER won an SEC Title
Zook NEVER won an SEC Title
Gillespie NEVER won an SEC Title
Zook NEVER won an SEC Title
Posted on 3/5/12 at 2:45 pm to Tigerfan7218
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Okay tell me which year prior to this one you would have fired him?
Gillespie NEVER won an SEC Title
Zook NEVER won an SEC Title
Why are you assuming that the premise is TJ had to be fired before this year? I think many on here questioning the commitment to basketball do it with the assumption that TJ will return. Right or wrong, no one in this thread appears to be advocating that they fire him earlier than this year.
Posted on 3/5/12 at 2:47 pm to thunderbird1100
I can't fault the Brady hire. We were facing NCAA sanctions and that was a bad time. It looks like TJ isn't working out. Again, bad hires don't equal lack of commitment.
Lack of commitment would have been hiring Butch Pierre on the cheap.
Lack of commitment would have been hiring Butch Pierre on the cheap.
Posted on 3/5/12 at 2:48 pm to therick711
Because saying that they have not reacted properly by firing TJ assumes you either wanted him gone before this year or during this season. You also assume that they won't let him go after the season is actually over (you do realize they still have at least one more game to play right).
Firing him before the season is over is basically telling your players, "Hey guys you did alright but we are throwing in the towel this season. Sorry"
Firing him before the season is over is basically telling your players, "Hey guys you did alright but we are throwing in the towel this season. Sorry"
Posted on 3/5/12 at 2:51 pm to Tigerfan7218
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Firing him before the season is over is basically telling your players, "Hey guys you did alright but we are throwing in the towel this season. Sorry"
Sounds like he is getting fired and it was leaked to the team 2 weeks ago
Posted on 3/5/12 at 2:51 pm to Tigerfan7218
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Because saying that they have not reacted properly by firing TJ assumes you either wanted him gone before this year or during this season. You also assume that they won't let him go after the season is actually over (you do realize they still have at least one more game to play right).
Firing him before the season is over is basically telling your players, "Hey guys you did alright but we are throwing in the towel this season. Sorry"
I'm not sure if you are using the second person of "You" as like a Hubie Brown thing, of if you are attributing an argument that you are purposefully making sound stupid to me, but I was really just wondering why you were fixated on which year was the appropriate one to fire TJ. I think if he stays at the end of the year that it will weigh heavily on the fans here.
My theory, much less stupid, was and is that people prefer to think the commitment is substandard than believe that we are trying our hardest to win and can't. One gives hope while also giving one a built in excuse if we fail, the other is seemingly hopeless.
Posted on 3/5/12 at 2:51 pm to Tigerfan7218
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Okay tell me which year prior to this one you would have fired him?
I wouldn't have fired him prior to this season. I would fire him now, though.
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Gillespie NEVER won an SEC Title
Zook NEVER won an SEC Title
And Brady won two. With teams HE built. So what? It's great to win SEC titles, but Brady got fired because every time he won a title, the program fell into the toilet for a couple of years. That's exactly what happened with Johnson, only worse and for longer...with no end in sight. At least Brady had us back into the NIT within two years and the NCAA within three after winning the SEC in 2000. And that was with next to no scholarships available for recruiting due to sanctions.
Trent hasn't shown any indication he can build the program.
Posted on 3/5/12 at 2:53 pm to Nuts4LSU
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I wouldn't have fired him prior to this season. I would fire him now, though.
Fair enough, but what's the difference in firing him now and basically giving up on the SECT and the team and waiting until we lose this weekend to do it?
Posted on 3/5/12 at 2:56 pm to Tigerfan7218
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You also assume that they won't let him go after the season is actually over
I am almost 100% certain that Johnson will not be fired after the season ends next Thursday.
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Firing him before the season is over is basically telling your players, "Hey guys you did alright but we are throwing in the towel this season. Sorry"
Most coaches get fired before the season is officially over. Brady did. Gerry DiNardo did. Curley Hallman did. Mike Archer did. And as for the message to the players, "you did alright" should not be any part of it.
Posted on 3/5/12 at 2:57 pm to Tigerfan7218
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what's the difference in firing him now and basically giving up on the SECT and the team and waiting until we lose this weekend to do it?
Basically none, but I doubt very seriously that will happen.
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