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re: What will it take for Cheeri-Os to turn on Coach O?
Posted on 1/11/18 at 12:04 pm to azcatiger
Posted on 1/11/18 at 12:04 pm to azcatiger
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Do you want a wager on this one?
Sure
quote:
It will not be "crazy about Curly" bad yet.
By the end of the season it might be
What you don't seem to understand is that people are fed up. We're tired of being frustrated and disappointed at almost every aspect of the way the program is being run. It gets to a point where you start to look into other interests. This phenomenon has already started but the critical mass hasn't hit yet, but it's coming.
This post was edited on 1/11/18 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 1/11/18 at 12:06 pm to jcole4lsu
If Ensminger wasn't enough to do it, nothing will.
They'll go down with the ship, then pretend that they never supported him once he's gone.
They'll go down with the ship, then pretend that they never supported him once he's gone.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 12:06 pm to Beessnax
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My loyalty is with the current coach. When he is replaced my loyalty will be with that coach. It's what an intelligent fan does.
I upvoted this and agree. The 12 downvotes or about 90% of you dickheads, are more interested in being mad and disruptive than real fans that pull for our program regardless. Screw all of you 1/2 assed fans.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 12:09 pm to Beessnax
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My loyalty is with the current coach. When he is replaced my loyalty will be with that coach. It's what an intelligent fan does.
Orgeron would have this job until he died if it were left up to fans like you.
Do you completely lack the ability to form well reasoned opinions based on evidence?
Posted on 1/11/18 at 12:10 pm to jcole4lsu
I'll answer, but I wouldn't consider myself a "cheeri-O". In my case I initially wanted Jimbo but once O was official decided to support him since he was/is the coach. I was ready for him to be fired after Troy, not because of the loss, but it was the apparent behind the scenes crap with him, Canada and Alleva that made me convinced he should not be coach.
The season progresses, the team pulls it together so I grudgingly support him in the hope he and the admin got their crap together. All this time I still wanted the puppet master (Alleva) gone.
Final straw. How the OC situation went down from the comments to the media after A&M, the lack of clarification by O and Alleva about the OC situation and the debacle of a search sealed the deal. It is possible the team could have a great season, but it is abundantly clear there is no competence at the HC or AD level to generate sustainable success at LSU. They both have to go. Alleva is supporting a culture of incompetence, cronyism and corruption (lack of integrity) and it will destroy the program if it is not removed.
So, to be clear. It's over. As soon as possible O and Alleva must go so the program can reach its FULL potential.
The season progresses, the team pulls it together so I grudgingly support him in the hope he and the admin got their crap together. All this time I still wanted the puppet master (Alleva) gone.
Final straw. How the OC situation went down from the comments to the media after A&M, the lack of clarification by O and Alleva about the OC situation and the debacle of a search sealed the deal. It is possible the team could have a great season, but it is abundantly clear there is no competence at the HC or AD level to generate sustainable success at LSU. They both have to go. Alleva is supporting a culture of incompetence, cronyism and corruption (lack of integrity) and it will destroy the program if it is not removed.
So, to be clear. It's over. As soon as possible O and Alleva must go so the program can reach its FULL potential.
This post was edited on 1/11/18 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 1/11/18 at 12:10 pm to Geauxst Writer
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than real fans that pull for our program regardless. Screw all of you 1/2 assed fans.
There is a lot of confusion by the pro-Orgeron faction about what being a "negatiger" really means. I'm here to enlighten you all so hopefully you stop making the same logical errors when trying to make your points. the biggest distinction between the CheeriOs and the negas is based in the type of thinking being used.
Emotional reasoning is a cognitive process by which a person concludes that his/her emotional reaction proves something is true, regardless of the observed evidence...Emotional reasoning amplifies the effects of other cognitive distortions. For example, a test-taker may feel insecure about their understanding of the material even though they are perfectly capable of answering the questions. If he (or she) acts on his insecurity about failing the written test he might assume that he misunderstands the material and therefore might guess answers randomly, causing his own failure in a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Making a rational decision, on the other hand, involves making a decision, rationality factors in how much information is available (e.g. complete or incomplete knowledge). The process is the most important part of rational thinking. A sound conclusion (output) requires high-quality inputs (e.g., accurate information and access to the right people) and a high-quality thinking process. Focusing on the inputs is not enough to ensure success; we need to give equal attention to the process or what we do with the inputs—how we collect, organize, and analyze them.
People are labeled as "negatiger" because they are seen as desiring a negative outcome for the LSU program. However, what the positigers miss is that negatigers are actually analyzing the current state/direction of the program as being sub-optimal. Due to this analysis, they rationally assess the likelihood of a positive outcome being decreased. They are not HOPING for a negative outcome; they are EXPECTING a negative outcome. The positiger/CherriO factions have trouble understanding this mindset because they are subjectively and emotionally hoping (and praying, to quote O) for a positive season. You have created a biased view of the world where you see people "hoping" (emotional thnking) and not "analyzing" (rational thinking), and you confuse the two. Expecting a mediocre-bad season due to rational analysis is not the same thing as hoping for a bad season due to emotional desire.
This ties in strongly with the process-oriented v. results-oriented strategies that we can discuss later. To summarize, positigers are results-oriented and negatigers are process-oriented. There are strengths and weaknesses to both, but only a process-oriented decision making tree along with a good plan and detailed execution will lead to long-term, consistent results. This is what Saban described as "the process" when he was coach here and it's what he's using at Alabama to create the greatest dynasty in the history of CFB. That's the only way we will compete with his programs consistently.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 12:15 pm to jcole4lsu
quote:You don't deserve an answer after this BS!
Coached a 11-2 team down to 9-4.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 12:17 pm to jcole4lsu
Same frickers would have been ok with Hall Hunter over Nick Saban.
Realistically many have simply never seen the 90s... they only have seen the glory years and put blind faith in that it will just work out. Wise decisions dont matter..
Realistically many have simply never seen the 90s... they only have seen the glory years and put blind faith in that it will just work out. Wise decisions dont matter..
Posted on 1/11/18 at 12:17 pm to jcole4lsu
I'm pretty sure everybody wants the same thing bruh...wins, and lots of 'em. It just kills you though that some people aren't having the same melt down as you. I mean, it's the very thing SJW's subscribe to...this "think like me mentality or else!!". It tiresome bro. It's weak.
You hate everything that's going on? Cool man. Good for you. Do what you think you need to do. I ain't mad atcha. Boycott games, don't renew season tickets, whine on a message board, etc. Different things affect people in different ways and that's not necessarily a bad thing.
You hate everything that's going on? Cool man. Good for you. Do what you think you need to do. I ain't mad atcha. Boycott games, don't renew season tickets, whine on a message board, etc. Different things affect people in different ways and that's not necessarily a bad thing.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 12:21 pm to Beessnax
quote:No, it's what a battered wife does. Or a mindless sheep. Pick one.
My loyalty is with the current coach. When he is replaced my loyalty will be with that coach.
It's what an intelligent fan does.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 12:29 pm to jcole4lsu
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Another sub 10 win season is a near certainty. More excuses from Cheeri-Os? What if the bottom falls out and we end up 6-6?
OK, so your expectation is 6 wins. You can't now say a 9 win season is a failure.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 12:34 pm to Goldrush25
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Do you completely lack the ability to form well reasoned opinions based on evidence?
Lol.. No my reasoning is very much intact.
I just see a much bigger picture.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 12:36 pm to blueboy
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No, it's what a battered wife does
Well, that seems like a perfectly rational example to use.
Jesus, this is so damn funny.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 12:41 pm to jcole4lsu
The excuse for next year will be QB/RB/WR with no experience, and SE as our OC.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 12:52 pm to Geauxst Writer
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Geauxst Writer
#1 clown show
Posted on 1/11/18 at 1:14 pm to Beessnax
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It's what an intelligent fan does.
Pretty damn ironic considering if you continue to support a dumpster fire like we have, you're the exact opposite of intelligent.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 1:19 pm to Beessnax
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My loyalty is with the current coach. When he is replaced my loyalty will be with that coach.
It's what an intelligent fan does.
Ill go ahead and say it. I want LSU to tank next year. F you to everyone saying a fan should never want/hope their team loses. I do because i can see the direction this program is going is the wrong direction. And the quickest way to clean house is for the 2018 team to tank.
So sue me for thinking and wanting LSU to be better than Orgeron.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 1:29 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:
There is a lot of confusion by the pro-Orgeron faction about what being a "negatiger" really means. I'm here to enlighten you all so hopefully you stop making the same logical errors when trying to make your points. the biggest distinction between the CheeriOs and the negas is based in the type of thinking being used.
Emotional reasoning is a cognitive process by which a person concludes that his/her emotional reaction proves something is true, regardless of the observed evidence...Emotional reasoning amplifies the effects of other cognitive distortions. For example, a test-taker may feel insecure about their understanding of the material even though they are perfectly capable of answering the questions. If he (or she) acts on his insecurity about failing the written test he might assume that he misunderstands the material and therefore might guess answers randomly, causing his own failure in a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Making a rational decision, on the other hand, involves making a decision, rationality factors in how much information is available (e.g. complete or incomplete knowledge). The process is the most important part of rational thinking. A sound conclusion (output) requires high-quality inputs (e.g., accurate information and access to the right people) and a high-quality thinking process. Focusing on the inputs is not enough to ensure success; we need to give equal attention to the process or what we do with the inputs—how we collect, organize, and analyze them.
People are labeled as "negatiger" because they are seen as desiring a negative outcome for the LSU program. However, what the positigers miss is that negatigers are actually analyzing the current state/direction of the program as being sub-optimal. Due to this analysis, they rationally assess the likelihood of a positive outcome being decreased. They are not HOPING for a negative outcome; they are EXPECTING a negative outcome. The positiger/CherriO factions have trouble understanding this mindset because they are subjectively and emotionally hoping (and praying, to quote O) for a positive season. You have created a biased view of the world where you see people "hoping" (emotional thnking) and not "analyzing" (rational thinking), and you confuse the two. Expecting a mediocre-bad season due to rational analysis is not the same thing as hoping for a bad season due to emotional desire.
This ties in strongly with the process-oriented v. results-oriented strategies that we can discuss later. To summarize, positigers are results-oriented and negatigers are process-oriented. There are strengths and weaknesses to both, but only a process-oriented decision making tree along with a good plan and detailed execution will lead to long-term, consistent results. This is what Saban described as "the process" when he was coach here and it's what he's using at Alabama to create the greatest dynasty in the history of CFB. That's the only way we will compete with his programs consistently.
Great post, but this won't make any sense to some people. It will probably just irritate them.
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