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re: what is moffit doing
Posted on 2/23/09 at 5:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 2/23/09 at 5:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
On Dorsey from NFL.com befroe last year's draft...
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The "functionally strong' part is how I think of Moffit. Also, a back injury and a stress fracture in your leg will affect one's ability to train.
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Positives: Has a thick upper body build that might lack ideal muscle tone, but he does compensate with good initial explosion and raw, natural power...
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Has long, functionally strong arms and large hands to grab and drag the ball carriers down...Plays through pain, evident in 2006 when he competed with a stress fracture in his leg, and in 2007 when he refused to sit out any games despite a knee injury and a sore back.
The "functionally strong' part is how I think of Moffit. Also, a back injury and a stress fracture in your leg will affect one's ability to train.
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Posted on 2/23/09 at 5:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:People like you have been singing that song for way too long. Ever since I joined the Rant in the spring of 2004, people on here have been insisting that our players' poor performances in the combines were going to cripple our recruiting. And yet, here we are 5 years later with another top rated recruiting class. The proof is in the pudding. Moffitt has been here for a long time, and whatever the impact his program has on the combine performances, it absolutely is not interfering with us pulling in talent at the highest level. Why do you keep ignoring these facts and pretending that this "issue" is going to hurt our recruiting (other than your usual mission to stir up more arguments and generate more post traffic)?
if we don't put guys into the NFL, recruiting will dry up
Posted on 2/23/09 at 5:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Also, why did you not answer the question? Are you reluctant to admit that you would be upset with Moffitt over poor combine performances no matter how successful our team was?
that won't happen
Posted on 2/23/09 at 5:05 pm to Tiger in NY
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The "functionally strong' part is how I think of Moffit.
i understand this
but when a coach says a player like bradie james (who was no workout wimp at LSU) is too weak to lay for him, and then drafts spears, who again, was too weak to play for him, it's telling
and as far as dorsey's year, his horrible (according to KC writers) technique was just as much a part of it as his athleticism. but he was supposed to be a tommie harris-like disrupter
Posted on 2/23/09 at 5:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Perhaps. But I'd expect the requirements for the players in college football to be much more similar to the requirements of players in college football. And since I have years of data to observe on how they prepare guys to play college football, why would I bother with how they prepare guys to play in the NFL?
because they both play football. you'd expect the requirements for the players to be at least similar
Posted on 2/23/09 at 5:11 pm to King Joey
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But I'd expect the requirements for the players in college football to be much more similar to the requirements of players in college football
and the combine compares college players to college players
Posted on 2/23/09 at 5:12 pm to SlowFlowPro
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no, he wasn't he was expected to be slow, but 4.55 slow. not 4.65 slow and zenon was supposed to be in the 4.4s, but ran a 4.55
Chevis Jackson was not expected to run as fast as Cason and Flowers, 4.55 is around what they ran.
4.6 CBs are drafted in the NFL all the time, especially cover-2 style CBs. Cason and Flowers ran in the 4.5s, were drafted in the top two rounds, and were two of the best rookie CBs in the NFL last year.
If you call 4.55 slow you are really out of touch. You can be not fast without being slow. Do you realize you can make your points without hyperbole?
Posted on 2/23/09 at 5:14 pm to Tigercat
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Chevis Jackson was not expected to run as fast as Cason and Flowers, 4.55 is around what they ran.
flowers wasn't a burner, and he ran as expected
cason ran like a 4.45 after having speed worries
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If you call 4.55 slow you are really out of touch.
it's slow for a CB in the NFL
Posted on 2/23/09 at 5:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:So?
and the combine compares college players to college players
Posted on 2/23/09 at 5:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
And yet Chevis was selected in the begining of the third round (almost into the second) and looked good as a rookie backup CB, go figure.
Cason ran a 4.49 combine officially, Flowers a 4.55, and yet both were drafted high and looked very good as rookies, go figure. It appears the NFL and reality disagrees with your ideas of what works/is needed in the NFL.
Cason ran a 4.49 combine officially, Flowers a 4.55, and yet both were drafted high and looked very good as rookies, go figure. It appears the NFL and reality disagrees with your ideas of what works/is needed in the NFL.
Posted on 2/23/09 at 5:20 pm to Tigercat
flowers was mediocre as a rookie, but he was coached by herm edwards, so who knwos what he will do
a move to safety is possibly in the works
and chevis didn't even start, so let's not get all up on him just yet
a move to safety is possibly in the works
and chevis didn't even start, so let's not get all up on him just yet
Posted on 2/23/09 at 5:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
4.55 is doable for a Cover 2 safety
Posted on 2/23/09 at 5:25 pm to LSUtigahs28
flowers's problem is also his height. he's like 5-9
Posted on 2/23/09 at 5:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
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flowers's problem is also his height. he's like 5-9
Damn I always forget how short he is.
Posted on 2/23/09 at 7:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i do know that bill parcells called out bradie james and marcus spears as both being very weak as rookies
are you going to argue with bill parcells?
Hey SloFlopro, why didn't Billy Parcells have access to Marcus Spears combine numbers? If Spears was so "Weak" as you say, why did Parcell's draft him in the 1st round?
Furthermore, why hasn't he traded either of them?
Posted on 2/23/09 at 7:51 pm to Sammich
Kiffen tried twice to get Moffitt to UT. He could go pretty much anywhere he wants in college football. LSU is very lucky to have him. His job is to get them ready to play for LSU, not the combine. Most players hire trainers to specifically help them train for the combine, like Hester did. It's no secret what the Combine tests, so shame on the players if they're not ready.
Posted on 2/23/09 at 7:53 pm to Sammich
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If Spears was so "Weak" as you say, why did Parcell's draft him in the 1st round?
jerry jones drafted him in the 1st round
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Furthermore, why hasn't he traded either of them?
well james spent that year to gain NFL strength
spears is perpetually on the cutting block
Posted on 2/23/09 at 7:53 pm to Stevo
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It's no secret what the Combine tests, so shame on the players if they're not ready.
if they aren't physically developed to perform that's not really a "shame on them" situation
Posted on 2/23/09 at 8:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
I have never seen this many idiots posting on something that they have ZERO knowledge of.
Every expert that apparantly knows about getting players NFL ready, need to fax their resumes immediately to the office of Les Miles.
Nick Saban, Lane Kiffen and the other numerous coaches that have tried to hire Moffit, apparently have no F^&*(ing idea what they are doing.
Everyone please talk about something you have a clue on.
Every expert that apparantly knows about getting players NFL ready, need to fax their resumes immediately to the office of Les Miles.
Nick Saban, Lane Kiffen and the other numerous coaches that have tried to hire Moffit, apparently have no F^&*(ing idea what they are doing.
Everyone please talk about something you have a clue on.
Posted on 2/23/09 at 8:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
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if they aren't physically developed to perform that's not really a "shame on them" situation
the lifting regiment gives LSU players plenty of opportunities to physically develop to their maximum potential, or very near it. This is such a non issue. It's laughable to suggest that Moffitt is anything but one of the top S&C coaches in the country. The vast majority of LSU players have had no problems with the combine.
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