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Posted on 2/7/12 at 9:02 am to Jester
I'm not a Trent sunshine pumper at all. I just mean take a step back bro and enjoy basketball for a while and if we suck then bitch. But this team is talented enough to finish with 8 or 9 SEC wins. We all want to be a great team 
Posted on 2/7/12 at 9:02 am to Sheep
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So, you'll settle for mediocrity? And you call yourself a fan.
Dude, stop. 8 SEC wins and he stays without question. I'll respect that finish. 7 & Gathers and I'm also cool. Anything less is unacceptable, in my opinion. If you disagree with that opinion, keep tooting your own horn.
Posted on 2/7/12 at 9:03 am to Sheep
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For those in this camp..... What's the appropriate amount of time to turn around a basketball program?
Not a BAD basketball program, just any basketball program?
18 months, max?
And I ask, because Billy Donovan had two straight losing seasons (SEC) after taking over a Florida team that was just a couple years removed from a Final Four. He's been at Florida for 16 seasons.
Rick Stansbury had three straight losing seasons (SEC... well a .500 season, then two losing seasons ) after taking over at State, three years removed from a Final Four. He's been at State 14 years.
Kevin Stallings took over a Vandy program in 1999 that had been to the postseason 11 times in 13 years, and he never went above .500 in the SEC until YEAR 8. (They still made the NCAAs in that stretch, though....) They've missed the postseason once since then, with two trips to the Sweet 16. He's been there 13 years now.
WAY different era, but Coach K had FOUR straight losing seasons after taking over a Duke program that had just come from an Elite 8 appearance the season prior. 31 years at Duke now.
These were GOOD programs.
So, keeping in mind that LSU is THE WORST SEC team since 1993....
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...team since 1993, what is the expectation?
Sweet 16 (or better) in 18 months on the job? 24?
Why?
Go ahead and say what your expectation is NOW.
While you're at it, go ahead and tell me why programs that were at worst "okay" to somewhere around "pretty good" or "really good" are able to have multiple losing seasons, but the almighty LSU (and our rousing 36% winning percentage) can't?
great post, notice people are ignoring it.
Posted on 2/7/12 at 9:03 am to Jester
Who is arguing anything different?
Posted on 2/7/12 at 9:04 am to Elleshoe
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I'm not a Trent sunshine pumper at all. I just mean take a step back bro and enjoy basketball for a while and if we suck then bitch. But this team is talented enough to finish with 8 or 9 SEC wins.
My faith is shaken every time we run out a backcourt with a combined height of 11'4", though.
Posted on 2/7/12 at 9:06 am to Bubba Hotep
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Who is arguing anything different?
Nobody, but the glass half full people just can't let go of the fact that some people are less convinced that things are looking rosy. It's like I feel driven by these people to hold the line and be more negative than I really am. I'm sure it goes both ways.
Posted on 2/7/12 at 9:12 am to Jester
All I'm asking is that we let the season finish out before we write them off. They seem like a good group of guys with some talent and they deserve our support. 
Posted on 2/7/12 at 9:18 am to tuptiger
Way too many posts to read, but:
Brady left Johnson a team that was good enough to win. Johnson has failed to restock the team until now; only Hickey and O'Bryant, of ALL the players Trent has gotten, are good enough to play at the level of Brady's players.
quote:no; we won the SEC the year after Brady was gone. Watch much college basketball? Underclassmen dominate this game now. If your best player is in school longer than 2 years, he's not great.
Brady left the cupboard EXTREMELY thin when he was fired.
Brady left Johnson a team that was good enough to win. Johnson has failed to restock the team until now; only Hickey and O'Bryant, of ALL the players Trent has gotten, are good enough to play at the level of Brady's players.
quote:Basically, I'd like to see TJ do at least the equal of Brady: bring in the amount of talent Brady did, and then show me he's a better coach during games.
What do ya'll want from Trent Johnson?
Posted on 2/7/12 at 9:18 am to Elleshoe
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All I'm asking is that we let the season finish out before we write them off. They seem like a good group of guys with some talent and they deserve our support.
Hey, if a starting five of two freshman, two sophomores and a transfer can't go undefeated in the SEC, maybe THEY need to find somewhere else to play.
Know what I'm saying?
Take the coach, the AD, and that one chubby Tiger Girl with you!
Posted on 2/7/12 at 9:20 am to Scoob
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If your best player is in school longer than 2 years, he's not great.
Glen Davis
Darrel Mitchell
Tasmin Mitchell
Marcus Thornton
all were here 3 or 4 years. We aren't getting many guys better than these FWIW
Posted on 2/7/12 at 9:39 am to Scoob
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If your best player is in school longer than 2 years, he's not great.
SEC leading scorers (feel free to identify the freshman and sophomores):
The only rebounder in the Top 5 that isn't a junior or senior is Anthony Davis.
The only assist leaders in the Top 5 are sophomore Trae Golden and freshman Marquis Teague.
Any other hoops knowledge you'd like to impart?
Or to paraphrase:
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Watch much college basketball? Underclassmen dominate this game now.
Posted on 2/7/12 at 10:17 am to Sheep
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SEC leading scorers (feel free to identify the freshman and sophomores):
Best team in the conference by far (feel free to identify the upperclassmen):
You will also find probably the 4 best players in the SEC among those underclassmen. Not saying that we can pull a UK class, but your argument is seriously flawed. High scorers are usually an indicator of less depth.
Posted on 2/7/12 at 10:33 am to Jester
LSU needs 3-4 year guys to succeed. I think we can all agree on that. We can't sustain success with guys who leave after one because we can't attract enough of them to keep rolling over.
Posted on 2/7/12 at 10:33 am to Jester
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Not saying that we can pull a UK class, but your argument is seriously flawed.
The Big East's top scorers are 4/5 juniors and seniors. The leading rebounders and assist guys are upperclassmen.
The Big Ten's top scorers are 4/5 upperclassmen. The leading rebounder and assist guy are upperclassmen.
The Big 12's Top 5 scorers are upperclassmen. The leading rebounder is a senior.
Schools like Kansas, Oklahoma, Marquette, Michigan State, Missouri, West Virginia, what do they know about basketball, right?
Can anyone else help me fix my flawed argument?
Posted on 2/7/12 at 11:01 am to Sheep
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Can anyone else help me fix my flawed argument?
I'm not saying there aren't good upperclassmen. You were making the argument that a team cannot be built in 2 or 3 years (or whatever the poster's statement was about quick rebuilds in CBB). THAT argument is very much flawed. Your stance that upperclassmen can also be solid foundations is not flawed, but that was not the argument you were making.
Posted on 2/7/12 at 11:02 am to Elleshoe
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LSU needs 3-4 year guys to succeed. I think we can all agree on that. We can't sustain success with guys who leave after one because we can't attract enough of them to keep rolling over.
fricking this x100000000. We can't land the John wall's, Anthony Davis', Michael Kidd-Gilchrist's, etc of the world with any regularity, which is why brady was so inconsistent.
Posted on 2/7/12 at 11:05 am to Elleshoe
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LSU needs 3-4 year guys to succeed. I think we can all agree on that. We can't sustain success with guys who leave after one because we can't attract enough of them to keep rolling over.
You do have to have talented players that stay 3-4 years. That doesn't justify missing a stud when he does come around, though. Below-average freshmen usually turn into below-average sophomore, juniors, and seniors. Sometimes a player will blossom, but you cannot count on average freshmen becoming phenomenal seniors.
Posted on 2/7/12 at 11:06 am to Tigerfan7218
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fricking this x100000000
I hope you brought a lot of lube.
Posted on 2/7/12 at 11:09 am to Jester
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You were making the argument that a team cannot be built in 2 or 3 years (or whatever the poster's statement was about quick rebuilds in CBB). THAT argument is very much flawed.
weren't you pimping steve lavin last year? look at him, now.
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