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GumboPot
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What about this NIL idea? The NCAA should place NIL caps on member schools.

The objective is to preserve college sports.

Don't place NIL caps on student athletes. Place them on NCAA member schools.

It works like this.

NCAA sets a cap for all NCAA member schools. All students that receive NIL money and want to participate in NCAA sports shall report their NIL earnings monthly (or quarterly) to the NCAA. Once the cap is met for the year the only athletes that the schools can play on NCAA sanctioned sports are student athletes not earning NIL because there is not NIL cap space available.

Student athletes that accept NIL money and break the cap can continue to accept NIL money but the school is banned from playing them for that NIL year or unless an existing student athlete receiving NIL money leaves the program and opens up NIL cap space.

This approach places the burden on schools and not the student athlete. The student athlete can earn as much NIL money as they want it's just the NCAA league will regulate itself to promote parity. If the student athlete does not like the situation they can continue to accept NIL money and go play in another league.

The amount of the initial cap is debatable and can increase with inflation each year. However, it has to be high enough to cover all NCAA sanctioned sports but low enough to preserve parity.

There are some obvious flaws with this approach the first being a lot of schools will dump a lot of NIL athletes into one or two sports and the other sports at that school will suck. But oh well. How each school allocates NIL student athlete resources will be up to each school. For example I could see LSU allocating 80% of the cap to football as the other sports scramble for a piece of the NIL pie. Then you can have situations like Livvy Dunn who receives millions in NIL not necessarily because she is a top gymnast. Since she would hit the cap space really hard and LSU would potentially not be able to afford her.
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Then no one would be able to afford a Livvy Dunne. And she would either sue and we'd be right back where we are now or some title 9 bs would force a school to pay women more


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Then no one would be able to afford a Livvy Dunne. And she would either sue and we'd be right back where we are now or some title 9 bs would force a school to pay women more



If Livvy Dunn broke the cap either LSU accepts her or keeps other NIL student athletes out to allow her to play while still hitting the cap. All student athletes will have the opportunity to play but if their NIL breaks the cap either the school has to keep them off the field of play or the student athlete has to refuse NIL payment to meet cap space in order to play.


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It’s broken. Accept it. Watch the professional leagues.


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Watch the professional leagues.



The professional leagues self impose a business framework in order to promote the game. That's what I'm proposing here for the NCAA.


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The objective is to preserve college sports.

NCAA couldn’t preserve it when there was no NIL.


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f Livvy Dunn broke the cap either LSU accepts her or keeps other NIL student athletes out to allow her to play while still hitting the cap. All student athletes will have the opportunity to play but if their NIL breaks the cap either the school has to keep them off the field of play or the student athlete has to refuse NIL payment to meet cap space in order to play.


Why should someone take less than what they are worth if they are getting monster marketing deals? Livvy Dune isn't pay for play, she's the most followed college athlete across all social media and has an absurdly high value.

This is dumb.


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The professional leagues self impose a business framework in order to promote the game. That's what I'm proposing here for the NCAA.


The professional leagues don't impose caps for marketing deals.

Schools aren't paying players so it's impossible to impose a cap on individuals making money off of their name, image, and likeness. LSU didn't pay Cade York last year, velveeta did.

Why is this so hard to comprehend?


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Why should someone take less than what they are worth if they are getting monster marketing deals? Livvy Dune isn't pay for play, she's the most followed college athlete across all social media and has an absurdly high value.



Livvy Dunn can take all she wants. LSU would just have to make the decision whether or not they could afford to play her under the NCAA cap space allocated to each school.


mdomingue
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The professional leagues self impose a business framework in order to promote the game. That's what I'm proposing here for the NCAA.


Which professional leagues impose a limit on how much a player can make on their own name, image, or likeness?

I get what you would like to do but it appears it can't be done legally.

The best that the NCAA can do is to impose restrictions on how the schools and boosters can be involved, require proof of services rendered for the money, and maybe stipulate that something related to what contractual obligations the athletes and the NIL providers have.

I think there is some market correction at some point soon and maybe more clarity from the NCAA on things like collectives and such. Well, at least I hope there is,



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lsusteve1
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Nah, let it get out of control



Just grab the popcorn and watch the shite show.


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Which professional leagues impose a limit on how much a player can make on their own name, image, or likeness?


None.

And the NCAA would not be imposing limits on the student athletes. They would be imposing limits on the member schools.

The student athlete can still accept all the NIL money they want. The burden is on the school whether or not they can afford the student.

Enforcement would be based on student athlete tax returns.


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SperrysBruh
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I agree something needs to be done but this ain’t it.

The Livvy Dunn thing has been talked about already, so I won’t go there. But also keep in mind that her getting that NIL money and recognition is beneficial to the LSU — atleast the gymnastics program, as every young gymnast sees this on social media.

The other issue I’ll point out with your proposal is that currently (at least reportedly) there really aren’t issues in the locker room between players due to the amount they are each getting paid. In your system, I see potential for lots of trouble with one guy not making money bc the school is capped out due to the star pulling a fat deal.

Atleast you’ve got an idea tho, bc I got no solutions


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Thorny
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It's unworkable for this reason:

The Court ruled that NIL is the right of the student-athlete, not the university. IOW, if the student can get it, they have a right to it without interference from the university or the NCAA.

Capping the amount at the school level would create an undue influence in what NIL deals are available to the student-athlete and would be challenged as a restriction of trade just like the old system was.

Going to take a few years for all of these NIL deals to settle down, but eventually they will when companies figure out many of the student-athlete endorsements aren't worth the amounts we are seeing now. Going to be a rough ride, but it will all have to work out in the end.

GEAUX TIGERS!


GumboPot
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Nah, let it get out of control



Just grab the popcorn and watch the shite show.


There this approach too. College sports will likely go through drastic ups and downs and then implode. It might take a generation to rise from the ashes after that.


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GumboPot
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Capping the amount at the school level would create an undue influence in what NIL deals are available to the student-athlete and would be challenged as a restriction of trade just like the old system was.


But isn't the counter argument that the student athlete that a school cannot accept is breaking their cap is that they can go play in another league were there are no member caps (like the USFL or NFL)?


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Livvy Dunn can take all she wants. LSU would just have to make the decision whether or not they could afford to play her under the NCAA cap space allocated to each school.


Again, why should LSU be affected by how much a third party, entirely independent company, is paying one of their athletes?

Do you not see how dumb this is?
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None.

And the NCAA would not be imposing limits on the student athletes. They would be imposing limits on the member schools.

The student athlete can still accept all the NIL money they want. The burden is on the school whether or not they can afford the student.

Enforcement would be based on student athlete tax returns.

How do you not see this as illogical?

"Oh sorry, you're actually too popular so you can't further your academic and athletic career at all, sorry."

You know who else would LOVE that? The company paying said athlete to promote their brand on a national scale.
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mitchleger
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Like the thought but I don't think the NCAA has ever proven the ability to catch those that cheat. If your rule goes into effect we are back at under the table deals. I think a better rule in football it is to restrict teams that make the playoffs from getting transfers the following year. This way they can pay as much as they like and allow the transfers to be the secondary market.


paulb52
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NIL is all bull shite and will destroy college football.


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Mobiletiggah
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Caps on free agency. Hmm, it works soooo well in the professional leagues. In many cases these colleges are offering money they don’t have to players that won’t get on the field. That’s just not sustainable. Things will get sorted after a couple years of this. So the formula for success, now, and in the future will be more focused on quality coaching. The only way to curb this is to reduce the number of players eligible. Those that aren’t will sue the league….ain’t happening.
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