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re: ****update 8:10*** Don't shoot the Messenger
Posted on 11/25/16 at 1:59 pm to Silvermoon_WhereRU
Posted on 11/25/16 at 1:59 pm to Silvermoon_WhereRU
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Ponamsky and Shea Dixon combine BBI and 247sports when this is all said and done
Please don't equate the two. Shea is so much better than that moron Ponamksy.
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Posted on 11/25/16 at 1:59 pm to tuptiger
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You may have been right. If you're right, let Herman walk. Leaking that to the media to force UT's hand the day before a game? That's pretty shady.
If Fisher really is still in play for us and UT is still indecisive, then this ploy will have completely backfired. Texas will probably still be there, but they won't have any price pressure on them anymore.
This post was edited on 11/25/16 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 11/25/16 at 2:00 pm to damnedoldtigah
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There comes a point that a candidate can price themselves out of the market.
U of H cannot keep up money-wise. They get 30k in their stadium a game, AND they still have to build loads of facilities to even measure up to LSU. LSU is in a big conference, big time facilities, with big time money.
Posted on 11/25/16 at 2:00 pm to Jwho77
I don't dislike coach O but I don't like the way he has basically hired people on to staff to be his personal campaign members to try and corner LSU into hiring him.
Posted on 11/25/16 at 2:00 pm to RB10
Agent may have done it without Herman's knowledge. Why? Because the LSU job has become Herman's to refuse so there's no risk giving Texas one last chance. Mo money is mo money.
Posted on 11/25/16 at 2:00 pm to tigerbaitlawyer
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Lsu really likes Herman but will not get in bidding war for him because they do not consider him equal to Saban and Meyer yet.
If any of the garbage in this post is even true, this is moronic. You won't get into a bidding war for a candidate you like, instead going the cheap route and leaving yourself with a inadequate, up-jumped dline coach? Good strategy.
This post was edited on 11/25/16 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 11/25/16 at 2:01 pm to RB10
It's tough to believe still because most coaches would be enraged at the leak the day before a game. Most would probably be looking for a new agent.
Posted on 11/25/16 at 2:02 pm to Jwho77
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Agent may have done it without Herman's knowledge. Why? Because the LSU job has become Herman's to refuse so there's no risk giving Texas one last chance. Mo money is mo money
Exactly. If Herman has an issue with the way this is being handled he will step in and tell his agent to cut the shite.
Posted on 11/25/16 at 2:02 pm to Jwho77
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Agent may have done it without Herman's knowledge. Why? Because the LSU job has become Herman's to refuse so there's no risk giving Texas one last chance. Mo money is mo money.
If LSU walks away, so does the "mo money." Why would UT pay more if LSU backs away because of this bush league move and goes back to Fisher? UT won't have to pay more at that point.
Posted on 11/25/16 at 2:02 pm to tuptiger
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He has a ceiling at UH. He'd be dumb to stay there.
True, but there is a good chance that UT or A&M will have an opening either this season or next. If they do, regardless of where this guy is they are going to come calling.
Posted on 11/25/16 at 2:03 pm to TigerMac81
It's a process. Each camp is trying to get the best deal possible for their side. We have to hope (and pray) Alleva is smart and skilled enough to make the right decision given all of the options.
Posted on 11/25/16 at 2:03 pm to tigerbaitlawyer
No one hates Orgeron. I really like the guy. Hes got a great personality and the players LOVE him. Hes an amazing recruiter and a good position coach. He wouldnt have been at USCw if he wasnt.
The problem with hiring a guy like Orgeron that is neither an offensive or defensive genius is that you dont lock down one side of the ball. He would have to rely on constantly hiring top notch coordinators and anytime they get good at their job a HC position comes calling and they take off. Its constant attrition in the coaching staff. You cant have sustained success that way. How long does Aranda stay around if Orgeron is HC? Imagine if LSU had a bad-mediocre defense to go with this offense. How many games LSU wins then?
The rest of the SEC is laughing at LSU for considering hiring a guy that was a DL coach that no other school was even considering for a coordinating position much less a HC position. Theyre also licking their chops.
People in Louisiana are prisoners of the moment and nepotistic, self-gratifying, back-slapping good ole boys. Thats why we always fail and fall behind the rest of the country.
Orgeron is the feel good hire. You shouldnt be relying on emotion to make a multi-million dollar decision. Use your logic for once or expect to be emotionally disappointed.
The problem with hiring a guy like Orgeron that is neither an offensive or defensive genius is that you dont lock down one side of the ball. He would have to rely on constantly hiring top notch coordinators and anytime they get good at their job a HC position comes calling and they take off. Its constant attrition in the coaching staff. You cant have sustained success that way. How long does Aranda stay around if Orgeron is HC? Imagine if LSU had a bad-mediocre defense to go with this offense. How many games LSU wins then?
The rest of the SEC is laughing at LSU for considering hiring a guy that was a DL coach that no other school was even considering for a coordinating position much less a HC position. Theyre also licking their chops.
People in Louisiana are prisoners of the moment and nepotistic, self-gratifying, back-slapping good ole boys. Thats why we always fail and fall behind the rest of the country.
Orgeron is the feel good hire. You shouldnt be relying on emotion to make a multi-million dollar decision. Use your logic for once or expect to be emotionally disappointed.
This post was edited on 11/25/16 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 11/25/16 at 2:03 pm to Rougarou13
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This's actually makes it sound like LSU is calling the shots. Putting Sexton in his place. They're comfortable with O as a fallback plan, so they're not taking shite from anyone. I actually kinda like it.
The fact that it makes it seem like LSU is in control is why it is very hard for me to believe. Considering who is running this at LSU, I find that unlikely.
I think Fisher has said no and this Herman talk is just to get more money out of Texas.
Posted on 11/25/16 at 2:04 pm to misey94
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If LSU walks away, so does the "mo money." Why would UT pay more if LSU backs away because of this bush league move and goes back to Fisher? UT won't have to pay more at that point.
LSU is not going to walk away from Herman just to hire O on account of a final flirtation with Texas.
Posted on 11/25/16 at 2:06 pm to nola000
Preach, brother. You are spot the frick on.
Posted on 11/25/16 at 2:06 pm to Jwho77
This is a massive troll. Tbis guy doesn't know shite or have a source.
Posted on 11/25/16 at 2:07 pm to Jwho77
It's crazy to think a younger coach that lost to Navy and SMU and will probably lose to Memphis is better than the experienced O.
Don't blow up the system--give the job to O and gel him find QBs and linemen.
Don't blow up the system--give the job to O and gel him find QBs and linemen.
Posted on 11/25/16 at 2:07 pm to Jwho77
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LSU is not going to walk away from Herman just to hire O on account of a final flirtation with Texas.
No, but he is a backstop. They will go back to Jimbo to put pressure on Herman. If UT continues to frick up (which is all they have done for 3 straight years now), Herman is left without any leverage.
Posted on 11/25/16 at 2:08 pm to misey94
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I think Herman's suitor are not as plentiful as they previously thought. USC is on fire and Texas still has Strong. Herman would rather to stay in Texas. Knowing LSU will press hard with the actual OFFER after the game. Herman's agent tried a premptive strike, so when LSU offered Herman could counter with a Texas variable that wasnt present during Wednesday discussion.
If Texas doesnt fire Herman, LSU will have more leverage and could actually offer less than orginal deal because Herman would be forced into a LSU/Houston choice which is much cheaper than LSU/Texas.
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If Fisher really is still in play for us and UT is still indecisive, then this ploy will have completely backfired. Texas will probably still be there, but they won't have any price pressure on them anymore.
I think Herman's suitor are not as plentiful as they previously thought. USC is on fire and Texas still has Strong. Herman would rather to stay in Texas. Knowing LSU will press hard with the actual OFFER after the game. Herman's agent tried a premptive strike, so when LSU offered Herman could counter with a Texas variable that wasnt present during Wednesday discussion.
If Texas doesnt fire Herman, LSU will have more leverage and could actually offer less than orginal deal because Herman would be forced into a LSU/Houston choice which is much cheaper than LSU/Texas.
Posted on 11/25/16 at 2:09 pm to Rougarou13
This update is the first one that seems to make sense of this whole mess at least. Whether true or not, it's clever post.
- Isn't skipping over the fact that Herman is not gonna get a blank check offer. There is a price range that is fair.
- O is in running because he's probably saying and doing all the right things, maybe even the only coach who isn't letting his sleezy agent run the show.
Of course, Herman and Fisher would run through the agent. They don't know LSU AD staff personally like O does. It seems Alleva is doing an iffy job of selling the opportunity. I also wonder if Saban being in the same division has any effect on these coaches? That's something Alleva can't control.
- Isn't skipping over the fact that Herman is not gonna get a blank check offer. There is a price range that is fair.
- O is in running because he's probably saying and doing all the right things, maybe even the only coach who isn't letting his sleezy agent run the show.
Of course, Herman and Fisher would run through the agent. They don't know LSU AD staff personally like O does. It seems Alleva is doing an iffy job of selling the opportunity. I also wonder if Saban being in the same division has any effect on these coaches? That's something Alleva can't control.
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