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Too many of you are getting caught up in 4-3 vs. 3-4 - its not that important (long)
Posted on 11/3/20 at 10:03 am
Posted on 11/3/20 at 10:03 am
Yes, there are many defensive gurus who believe that the odd man front is currently best against the spread offenses (mainly in that it gets just a bit more speed on the field), but there are still a good many successful 4 man fronts in todays game.
Whether you are running a 4-3 or 3-4, there are several things which are very important which we are currently struggling with -
1. Everyone must know their role/assignment, and be able to read their keys to achieve their assignment. We are struggling here big time. Simple motions confuse us. Crossing receivers, underneath routes, rubs, picks - if you can't do these simple things, you could have 13 players on the field and still not play good defense.
2. You have to be multiple - you have to show the offense different looks, make them look, confuse them. The moment the offense knows what you are doing, you are done. We are already having problems with this before we "simplified" the defense. Playing almost exclusively man is a bad recipe. MSU threw all over us. Auburn had several huge plays which were designed to work, and could only work against man. Look at all of the best defenses and they will throw lots of different coverages around, especially with pressure.
3. Passion and commitment - with the spread offenses, every single player must be playing hard every single down. The area each defender covers can be exploited if they are not fully engaged and doing their job. All it takes is one player not focused, not going 100%, and its a big play.
I'm of the opinion that Bo has routinely struggled against some spread teams, going back to his days at LSU. I don't know if its the style his defensive communicates, how his DBs switch off receivers, the man principals, the lack of adjustments, or the offense just knowing what he's going to do. Lots of good DCs have had bad games against spread offenses, so he's not alone. But it does seem that he has less good games than bad.
Whether you are running a 4-3 or 3-4, there are several things which are very important which we are currently struggling with -
1. Everyone must know their role/assignment, and be able to read their keys to achieve their assignment. We are struggling here big time. Simple motions confuse us. Crossing receivers, underneath routes, rubs, picks - if you can't do these simple things, you could have 13 players on the field and still not play good defense.
2. You have to be multiple - you have to show the offense different looks, make them look, confuse them. The moment the offense knows what you are doing, you are done. We are already having problems with this before we "simplified" the defense. Playing almost exclusively man is a bad recipe. MSU threw all over us. Auburn had several huge plays which were designed to work, and could only work against man. Look at all of the best defenses and they will throw lots of different coverages around, especially with pressure.
3. Passion and commitment - with the spread offenses, every single player must be playing hard every single down. The area each defender covers can be exploited if they are not fully engaged and doing their job. All it takes is one player not focused, not going 100%, and its a big play.
I'm of the opinion that Bo has routinely struggled against some spread teams, going back to his days at LSU. I don't know if its the style his defensive communicates, how his DBs switch off receivers, the man principals, the lack of adjustments, or the offense just knowing what he's going to do. Lots of good DCs have had bad games against spread offenses, so he's not alone. But it does seem that he has less good games than bad.
Posted on 11/3/20 at 10:04 am to Tigerstark
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4-3 vs. 3-4 - its not that important
yeah it actually is
/thread
Posted on 11/3/20 at 10:05 am to Tigerstark
Pelini is a dinosaur. He was lucky bc SEC offenses in his first time here weren't creative at all and he had Suh and Amakamura in his first few years at Nebraska. His defenses at Nebraska sucked after that, same with Youngstown State
Posted on 11/3/20 at 10:09 am to Mithridates6
Regardless of what you think of Pelini now, he was an outstanding DC when he served under Miles. So was Chief for that matter. Carry on.
Posted on 11/3/20 at 10:12 am to Stevo
He was outstanding bc no one had an ounce of creativity back then. Got gashed by Arkansas' little wildcat stuff twice that teams with much less talent than us shut down easily as well as Florida's spread. Missouri held Arkansas to 7 after the Hogs had Nutted all over Pelini's ugly face in BR with the NC game on the line
Posted on 11/3/20 at 10:13 am to Tigerstark
It's important in the formation but more importantly personnel.
Posted on 11/3/20 at 10:29 am to Tigerstark
quote:
Yes, there are many defensive gurus who believe that the odd man front is currently best against the spread offenses (mainly in that it gets just a bit more speed on the field), but there are still a good many successful 4 man fronts in todays game.
It still depends on if you're committed to rushing the passer, playing more bend-but-don't-break (depending on down and distance), and so forth, but, yes - if your designated pass rusher is a 6'4, 235 pounder who runs like a deer, he is going to be more capable of defending that back or TE if that's his read than a 6'6, 270 pound DE will be, all other things being equal.
Posted on 11/3/20 at 11:24 am to Ace Midnight
OLB vs DE is the biggest difference. OLBs line up wider than DE stop all of this crap that's destroying us outside.
We are fine between the tackles.
We are fine between the tackles.
Posted on 11/3/20 at 11:37 am to Tigerstark
The number of linemen in a front doesn't matter. It's about understanding and executing gap responsibility.
For whatever reason -- this defense has failed to adjust from a two gap scheme to a more one gap and attack type scheme.
For whatever reason -- this defense has failed to adjust from a two gap scheme to a more one gap and attack type scheme.
Posted on 11/3/20 at 12:07 pm to 225Tyga
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225Tyga
Enjoy your downvotes
Posted on 11/3/20 at 12:17 pm to oreeg
I would rather see a 5-5 defense.
Posted on 11/3/20 at 12:24 pm to Tigerstark
We already have a 4-3 3-4 thread...you could have contributed to the information already given.
Posted on 11/3/20 at 12:24 pm to Tigerstark
Granted, If you don’t know your assignment, it doesn’t matter what alignment you're in. That being said, there are real differences between the 4-3 and the 3-4. Not having a traditional off-season or preseason to make the change may have hurt us more than anticipated. There was also a change in coaching style and that may take time to sink in. None of this explains the disorganized, disinterested team we see on the field. The players don’t know their assignments and there is no passion. That’s on the staff. Entirely up to them to motivate the players, get them to buy in. If that had happened, the talent we have would take care of the rest of your criticisms/observations.
Posted on 11/3/20 at 1:21 pm to oreeg
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oreeg
Enjoy yours as well
Posted on 11/3/20 at 3:10 pm to Tigerstark
It's not just the scheme, nor the missed assignments, it's the overly aggressive D cannot do to modern offenses what it did years ago! Even Aranda was struggling last year with all the wrinkles thrown at him. We need to look forward not backward in the search for our defense plans.
Posted on 11/3/20 at 3:16 pm to Mithridates6
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Got gashed by Arkansas' little wildcat stuff twice that teams with much less talent than us shut down easily as well as Florida's spread.
Arkansas won the West in 2006 and averaged almost 300 rushing yards a game in 2007 along with 38 ppg. Not many teams shut them down. And no one shut down that Tebow and Florida offense. Not sure what you were watching, but I watched Florida win a national title in 2006 and 2008 and fall a game short of another national title in 2009.
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Missouri held Arkansas to 7 after the Hogs had Nutted all over Pelini's ugly face in BR with the NC game on the line
And Pelini, meanwhile, shut down #1 OSU in the national title game. Despite his complete shitshow of a defense this year, it is intellectually dishonest to say he sucked his first stint here. Quite the opposite actually, which is why Nebraska hired him in the first place.
Posted on 11/3/20 at 3:31 pm to lsufball19
Tennessee and Mizzou snuffed out Arkansas' HS offense easily in 2007. Pelini was a stubborn idiot who didn't learn anything. Arkansas lost to every other good team they played that year. Pelini just sucked and played base defense against them. Auburn held Teblow and Florida to 17 points in 2017. 2007 Capital One bowl: Wisconsin farm boys snuff out the Arky HS offense
Whoa, you're saying he shut down a Todd Boeckman-led Jim Tressel offense?
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And Pelini, meanwhile, shut down #1 OSU in the national title game. Despite his complete shitshow of a defense this year, it is intellectually dishonest to say he sucked his first stint here. Quite the opposite actually, which is why Nebraska hired him in the first place.
Whoa, you're saying he shut down a Todd Boeckman-led Jim Tressel offense?
This post was edited on 11/3/20 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 11/3/20 at 6:12 pm to Mithridates6
quote:They had two 1,000 yard rushers on one team
Got gashed by Arkansas' little wildcat stuff twice that teams with much less talent than us shut down easily
Posted on 11/3/20 at 6:20 pm to madddoggydawg
Chavis' worst defense at Tennessee in 2007 stuffed that high school shite when they played Arkansas like two weeks before LSU did. Pelini could have watched film of that and learned... Kinda like with Washington's wins over Leach's WSU teams
Posted on 11/3/20 at 6:21 pm to Mithridates6
NFL teams started running that high school shite after Arkansas did...and still do!
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