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re: To all those calling for Etling to be benched
Posted on 9/18/17 at 11:30 am to c on z
Posted on 9/18/17 at 11:30 am to c on z
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That basically says he's not good enough to be a playmaker when things break down.
Niether was Shea Patterson and this board has hyped that ficking Howdy Doody looking fricker for two years now.
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Posted on 9/18/17 at 11:32 am to BR_raised87
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He needs to be benched, DE simply doesn't have the talent & arm
Brennan would not have survived that game.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 11:34 am to AshLSU
One simple question.
Would the score have been any different with Brennan playing the whole game???
And the simple answer is HELL NO
Would the score have been any different with Brennan playing the whole game???
And the simple answer is HELL NO
Posted on 9/18/17 at 11:36 am to Merlin08
Cool. QBs have to learn how to deal with pressure. Every time he gets any pressure he isn't any good
Posted on 9/18/17 at 12:08 pm to Merlin08
As I have stated in another thread, Etling only completed 4 passes in the first half with one of them being a forward toss to Guice avoiding a sack. His completion percentage skewed upwards during the last drive when game was out of hand, essentially "give-me' completions. Etling also struggled mightily under any sense of pressure rendering plays useless. I was never against Etling as a starter but his inert character shinned through in his Saturday night performance and post game when he proclaimed that he needs to fulfill the roll of leader. I am shocked that he didn't consider himself (a senior QB and 2nd year starter) a leader it took a humiliating loss for him to state that he needed to become one.
If you look at the offensive unit as a whole a game manager, like Etling, is not what we need. The offensive line can't sustain blocks and depth is thin; WR's don't block effectively and can't consistently catch (mind boggling I know). We need a QB who can step up and win games, make the tough throw under pressure, and has ice in his veins. It may be tough to find someone like that on this roster but we have to give these other players a shot. Some of you say we forfeit the season if we go with someone else, I say we forfeit the season if we continue to trot Etling out their knowing the inefficiencies around him. We need someone to step up and it needs to happen now.
If you look at the offensive unit as a whole a game manager, like Etling, is not what we need. The offensive line can't sustain blocks and depth is thin; WR's don't block effectively and can't consistently catch (mind boggling I know). We need a QB who can step up and win games, make the tough throw under pressure, and has ice in his veins. It may be tough to find someone like that on this roster but we have to give these other players a shot. Some of you say we forfeit the season if we go with someone else, I say we forfeit the season if we continue to trot Etling out their knowing the inefficiencies around him. We need someone to step up and it needs to happen now.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 12:09 pm to Merlin08
Give it up. He's not an SEC caliber QB and your facts support it.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 12:26 pm to iluvbrokli
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Some of those calling for Etling to be benched aren't blaming Etling. The LSU team that was out there Saturday is fighting for a Peach Bowl invite at the end of the year. So if a great majority of the problem is youth...go all in on youth and start Brennan so that he can see what SEC play is and there are no "youth" excuses for next year. Having Brennan out there is much more beneficial to LSU than having an average QB in his last year trotting out there for an LSU squad that isn't playing for anything this year (based on how it looked Saturday). Now obviously you wait till the final horn of the Florida game before you do it, but if that game ends in defeat...gotta bring the kid in.
THIS. Not saying that Etling should be benched, but down 37-7 with 13 minutes left, there was no chance of a comeback. Those are valuable in-game, on the road, SEC reps that Brennan (if you really believe he's the future) could have gotten. Our young defensive players are going to be special next year...but what a waste it will be for them only to trot a young QB with no game experience. That was a lost opportunity for game experience. And if we reach loss 2 or 3, at that point Brennan should get 50% of the snaps every game.
This post was edited on 9/18/17 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 9/18/17 at 12:30 pm to Merlin08
Play calling also changes when you have an offense that relies heavily on the deep ball and a QB that can barely throw it 40 yards. The offense suffers alot because of Etlings noodle arm. We thought it would be good enough to get us by, but he cant make all of the throws to run this offense the way it needs to be ran in my opinion.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 12:32 pm to memphis tiger
Hes not bad, hes just not great. Hes a bus driver QB which you need sometimes, but he wont wow you.
I think i would just go with the Freshman and start the process of him building a bond with players and Canada.
I think i would just go with the Freshman and start the process of him building a bond with players and Canada.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 12:32 pm to Merlin08
his arm is a freakin noodle. He's just not good
Posted on 9/18/17 at 12:39 pm to Doby
I agree whole heartedly. Etling is nowhere near SEC quality. Now, I will say that the play calling has been atrocious. I was one who believed that the passing game should have been practiced over the first two games. Only game time experience can help develop timing and accuracy. If the o-line is a problem, then the offensive stategy should be designed to help them. Short/ Quick passes would keep the QB protected and may spread out the defense to assist in the running game. Only throwing on 3rd and long, with a bunched formation, and a 7 step drop is the perfect recipe for disaster. It can not get worse than what we witnessed on Saturday night. If another QB threw a pick six, then we lose by 37 rather than 30... so what. Major changes have to come, because this offense is not even close. The defense can never have a bad game, because our offense is non-existent. When Bama gave up over 40 last year in a game, their offense turned it on. We don't have that ability to win offensively with the same shitty play calling and a backup from Purdue. Spread the field and allow Brennan to work out of the shotgun with quick passes. This will prevent injury of the QB and create better lanes for Guice. I just hope that we dont have to watch this same shite every week, just like we did with Miles. Change everything and understand that it can't get worse, but at least there would be a chance at improving.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 12:44 pm to Merlin08
Brennan wouldn't have done much better. He is an immobile target. I fear for Brennan if he gets 1 good solid shot.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 12:51 pm to ready4something
No one has a clue what Brennan would have done. All we know for sure is that Etling can not get it done. Once again, short/ Quick passes will not get anyone hurt. 7 step drops on obvious passing downs, will.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 12:55 pm to Merlin08
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***** Either Under Pressure or scrambling...no protection what so ever*****
You left off 7 incomplete passes. He's a 5th year senior in his 3rd year as a starter in college football. He has 1 total td pass this season and threw a total of 11 last year. If he doesn't have a perfectly clean pocket and his initial read is sightly covered he completely panics and all hell breaks loose.
You're defending a guy who had 40 passing yards through 3 quarters Saturday. This isn't the first time this has happened. He had 31 yards at near end of 3rd quarter vs Auburn last year. 92 total vs Bama. He had 8 total completions two weeks ago and half of them were low % deep balls that he usually doesn't complete. It's okay to be realistic about a players abilities and also still be an LSU fan wanting him and the team to succeed. Look, when the only people on planet earth that think a player is good is a small percentage of that own players fan base, he most likely isn't that good.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 12:56 pm to A1tiger
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Now, I will say that the play calling has been atrocious. I was one who believed that the passing game should have been practiced over the first two games. Only game time experience can help develop timing and accuracy. If the o-line is a problem, then the offensive strategy should be designed to help them. Short/ Quick passes would keep the QB protected and may spread out the defense to assist in the running game.
This! I wouldn't say the play calling is atrocious but it definitely leaves a lot to be desired and the scheme exposes our inadequacies offensively. The passing game, or lack thereof, in the first two games did next to nothing to help us prepare/scheme/work out the kinks for MSU. It wasn't until the fourth quarter that Canada started calling consistent shotgun plays for Etling which blew my mind.
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I just hope that we don't have to watch this same shite every week, just like we did with Miles. Change everything and understand that it can't get worse, but at least there would be a chance at improving.
Honestly, I believe we will see some form of offensive change because the wheels have fallen off the bus and this fan base will boo you out of the stadium if you don't improve. Seeing as we don't have much of a Oline and the WRs can't catch/block you gotta figure the change starts at QB. That is the position that can have the most immediate impact through rotating players. At WR and OLine it is what it is, it will take time to improve in those areas.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 1:01 pm to the_watcher
Every player involved on the offensive side of the ball should be held accountable. There are several positions, where the backups should get an opportunity to perform in game. I did not see a single offensive player who should be safe. We were nearly blanked by MSU. It is time to experiment, rather than being hard headed and punishing the whole team.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 1:10 pm to A1tiger
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I did not see a single offensive player who should be safe
I just wanna know why Gage sees the field. Ever. FWIW I felt this way before a pass hit him in the face. He's too small, absolutely not a threat to gain meaningful yards vs SEC defenses on the jet sweep, isn't beating anyone deep with blazing speed, etc. Meanwhile Drake Davis and Jacoby Stevens are just hanging out on the bench waiting for coaches to call in the special teams units
Posted on 9/18/17 at 1:15 pm to the_watcher
Our offense has been inexplicable for so long. I never understood the Gage love either. Can't believe the money that is being wasted on Canada. He should have been so different than Miles and he isn't. Other than the cute shifts that Mississippi State forgot to give a shite about, his offense is equally as productive or non-productive.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 1:48 pm to I20goon
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In fairness he will become gun shy through a game and scramble when it's not needed. He had that tendency last year, and it showed up again Sat
Well that's not what I saw. I saw someone under constant pressure. When he is under that much pressure, you can't expect amazing QB play. However, again, he wasn't bad at all.
Again, what I saw was a guy under pressure from the snap, generally. When he wasn't, he made some very good passes - hitting kids in the facemask/ hands.
He is the 2nd best QB (on game pay potential) that we have had since (and not including) RP. Mett was only better.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 2:03 pm to JWill409
Dude stfu with your 40 yard bullshite
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