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The vanilla argument
Posted on 9/9/18 at 10:43 am
Posted on 9/9/18 at 10:43 am
Help me to understand, all who believe we were vanilla last night to not give Auburn anything to game plan against so that we may surprise them. Does the coaching staff only care about beating Auburn? What about the rest of teams we play after Auburn? Does the coaching staff have a little extra for each team? Is the offensive playbook that extensive? Asking for a friend.
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Posted on 9/9/18 at 10:44 am to TigahTeeth
Vanilla or not, LSU should be able to move the ball against teams like SELA
LSU could not drive the field all game unless we started in SELA's territory which is concerning for me
LSU could not drive the field all game unless we started in SELA's territory which is concerning for me
Posted on 9/9/18 at 10:45 am to TigahTeeth
This is now my stock vanilla answer:
LSU cannot even execute a basic vanilla offense yet they are going to unleash the "hidden complex" offense next week...
Making sure I understand here:
Since they cannot run a vanilla offense at a level of high efficiency you expect them to run a complicated offense, that they haven't run at game speed, well enough to win AT Auburn??? Correct?
LSU cannot even execute a basic vanilla offense yet they are going to unleash the "hidden complex" offense next week...
Making sure I understand here:
Since they cannot run a vanilla offense at a level of high efficiency you expect them to run a complicated offense, that they haven't run at game speed, well enough to win AT Auburn??? Correct?
Posted on 9/9/18 at 10:46 am to TigahTeeth
Football teams don’t actually hold back to spring surprises on the next opponent.
That doesn’t happen. Ever.
That doesn’t happen. Ever.
Posted on 9/9/18 at 10:47 am to TigahTeeth
Look at the plays in the second half and it is clear as day they went vanilla.
Posted on 9/9/18 at 10:47 am to TigahTeeth
Lol “Asking for A Friend”, it was just my opinion that no one has to agree with and that’s cool. I think the coaching staff kept it simple lastnight. Nothing fancy. That what I think and I could very well be wrong, but I’m not gonna sit here and bitch and moan until I see what they bring to the Auburn game. I’ll base my opinion on that game and see if E opens it up, if not then I know what to expect the rest of the season and could only pray that things change from the top down at LSU. At the end of the day I’ll always be an LSU fan till I die.
Posted on 9/9/18 at 10:47 am to stapuffmarshy
I hope to God that missing Charles on the O-line last night was a huge factor in us not being able to pass-block. Otherwise, RIP Burrow.
Posted on 9/9/18 at 10:49 am to TigahTeeth
quote:
Does the coaching staff only care about beating Auburn? What about the rest of teams we play after Auburn? Does the coaching staff have a little extra for each team? Is the offensive playbook that extensive?
Let's say the play book has 400 plays.
For each team the coaches come up with a "game plan." The game plan could be the best 100 plays they think will work best against a particular team. And those are the plays they will call during the game and the plays they will practice all week on.
So, it is very possible LSU had 15 plays in the game plan last night that they felt they could score 31 points which they felt would be enough to beat a lesser team and not giving Auburn plays to game plan against.
This post was edited on 9/9/18 at 10:52 am
Posted on 9/9/18 at 10:54 am to LSUPHILLY72
I heard it mentioned somewhere, radio I think, but the game plan was simplified for SELU.
Posted on 9/9/18 at 10:59 am to TigahTeeth
quote:Yes...there 2-0 and that's there next opponent.
Does the coaching staff only care about beating Auburn?
quote:Yes...because that's there next opponent after Auburn.
What about the rest of teams we play after Auburn?
quote:I sure hope so.
Does the coaching staff have a little extra for each team?
quote:
Is the offensive playbook that extensive?
Again..I sure hope so.
Hard questions to answer without having ties the staff. One would assume that there are more plays the team hasn't used yet because they haven't needed to and would be used later in order to take advantage of specific defenses or game situations. I'm definitely shooting from the hip here because I have no clue.
Posted on 9/9/18 at 11:00 am to TigahTeeth
When I played football we would put in new plays each week depending on our opponent.
Posted on 9/9/18 at 11:03 am to ipodking
quote:
Look at the plays in the second half and it is clear as day they went vanilla.
Then what's the excuse for them not executing the plays they did run?
Vanilla isn't a euphemism for poor offense.
Posted on 9/9/18 at 11:06 am to TigahTeeth
Last night wasn't 'vanilla'....
we didn't hide our pass-blocking scheme from Auburn and the cameras.
fricking Southeastern was overwhelming our line at times, we had to go to max protection.
If you have to do that against an FCS team, God help us when the conference games roll around.
we didn't hide our pass-blocking scheme from Auburn and the cameras.
fricking Southeastern was overwhelming our line at times, we had to go to max protection.
If you have to do that against an FCS team, God help us when the conference games roll around.
Posted on 9/9/18 at 11:14 am to ipodking
quote:
Look at the plays in the second half and it is clear as day they went vanilla.
Ignore the second half then. The offense wasn't sharp in the first half either.
Posted on 9/9/18 at 11:30 am to TigahTeeth
quote:
who believe we were vanilla last night to not give Auburn anything to game plan against so that we may surprise them. Does the coaching staff only care about beating Auburn?
People who believe this don't understand football. Do you think Bama, auburn, uga, Texas am aren't running there full offense?
Posted on 9/9/18 at 11:32 am to DBG
quote:
Football teams don’t actually hold back to spring surprises on the next opponent.
Probably happens with trick plays. That’s about it.
Posted on 9/9/18 at 11:39 am to TigahTeeth
All I know is our OL better learn out to pass block & don't understand how the receivers can't seem to get open. Where is Giles??
This post was edited on 9/9/18 at 11:40 am
Posted on 9/9/18 at 11:51 am to TigahTeeth
I dont think the game plan for the season is/was necessarily to hold something back every game. I think its just the way things played out. For Miami I think it was a game plan that the Canes were going to focus on limiting LSUs deep threat as that was the perception of our strength. We took what the defense gave us. Focus on the run game and short to intermediate passing game. We won. Now that brings us to last night. I dont think there was any serious reason to believe we could lose so the game plan was to use a limited playbook so as to not give Auburn as much to study. That seems entirely plausible if not likely. If we found ourselves in danger of losing would we have seen more? I think so. I dont think I have ever seen as vanilla an offensive scheme as we saw last night. Maybe that's all we got offensively, but I would be shocked if it was. Say what you will about coach O and coach O but they have been working as coaches at good schools, not because people felt sorry for them, but because they are good at what they do. Are they good enough to beat the like of Bama, Auburn, and Georgia? We will soon find out. If I had to put money on it, I would say no, at least not yet. I think we are capable of winning the rest of the games on our schedule except for the 3 I just mentioned. I think Georgia is beatable, and Auburn to a lesser extent. Bama, no chance. All that being said, if we come out against Auburn with the same shitshow of an offensive plan, I will be all aboard the jettison O and E, and make Aranda our coach bandwagon. I'm just saying give it till next week before we start looking for daggers. We still won by 31, and shut out our opponent. I think Miami was overrated last year as they were to start the season, but they are pretty good. They did hang 77 on a team yesterday, and we beat those fools. Let's wait till next week baws, and if we get blown up, I'm all in for blowing it up.
Posted on 9/9/18 at 11:56 am to RowdyMcflowdy
quote:
dont think there was any serious reason to believe we could lose so the game plan was to use a limited playbook so as to not give Auburn as much to study. That seems entirely plausible if not likely. If we found ourselves in danger of losing would we have seen more? I think so. I dont think I have ever seen as vanilla an offensive scheme as we saw last night. Maybe that's all we got offensively, but I would be shocked if it was.
So it was part of the gameplan to have one of our 2 scholarship QBs take hits all night?
Posted on 9/9/18 at 12:01 pm to TigahTeeth
Let's be good and god damn clear here:
What we have witnessed is not "vanilla" or "conservative"
It is simply, plainly, and obviously INEFFECTIVE.
There is no vanilla argument, because there is no vanilla.
What we have witnessed is not "vanilla" or "conservative"
It is simply, plainly, and obviously INEFFECTIVE.
There is no vanilla argument, because there is no vanilla.
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