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re: The Orgeron Extension Talk: Why?

Posted on 2/1/19 at 5:01 pm to
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 2/1/19 at 5:01 pm to
Oh cool

So does that mean they didn’t lose 21 games the 3 years before?

Because I could swear that losing 7 games a year isn’t a thing that good teams do.

It’s weird that you’re using those ranking to tell me Herman is overrated but Yoo still think O didn’t have the talent to win 11 games.
This post was edited on 2/1/19 at 5:03 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
294431 posts
Posted on 2/1/19 at 5:03 pm to
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So does that mean they didn’t lose 21 games the 3 years before?



No. It means they consistently underperformed

They were 9th in talent last year
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
47985 posts
Posted on 2/1/19 at 5:03 pm to
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Wtf are you blabbing about? I have no idea WTF you're talking about. 



Wow you really need help.

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
294431 posts
Posted on 2/1/19 at 5:04 pm to
Correct. I'm not ready to name kids after him He underperformed.

That was easy.
This post was edited on 2/1/19 at 5:06 pm
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 2/1/19 at 5:04 pm to
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You've got multiple people trying to argue recruiting is negatively impacted by only being under contract through 2021. It's an absurd take with no basis in reality.

Every recruit worth a shite knows Orgeron will be here as long as he's winning. Plain and simple.

Really. If you had a son with multi-million dollar NFL potential... would you want things kinda ok with the future of the HC? Or would you want ALL the t's crossed and all the i's dotted?

An HC with a long-term contract and a secure buyout figure will win all the close ones. TITTB
This post was edited on 2/1/19 at 5:06 pm
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
47985 posts
Posted on 2/1/19 at 5:05 pm to
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won’t hurt recruiting. Nothing creates stability. A tenured coach can be fired as soon as program shuts the bed. 

But if other coaches that have similar performance as O are receiving raises and extensions and o is not there is a valid reason to raise an eyebro


What coach at a program with title expectations gets extensions and raises after having 3.5 losses a year and the 5th best sec class?

Im not upset with the extension until i see the buyout im just arguing that extending him doesnt create stability without winning. If we lose 3 games next year there will still be questions.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78139 posts
Posted on 2/1/19 at 5:06 pm to
Or maybe they were overrated

Or maybe they’re more talented since Herman took over. He did have the #2 class compared to 0s number 15 class

Yet LSU was still more talented this year

Surely we won’t more games.
This post was edited on 2/1/19 at 5:07 pm
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
47985 posts
Posted on 2/1/19 at 5:06 pm to
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Correct. I'm not ready to name kids after him ? He underperformed. 

That was easy.


Wow. You can wiggle out of anything.

Did you really think i thought you were wanting to name kids after him?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
294431 posts
Posted on 2/1/19 at 5:08 pm to
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Or maybe they were overrated


Maybe they aren't.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
294431 posts
Posted on 2/1/19 at 5:09 pm to
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Wow. You can wiggle out of anything.



No ones ever said 9-4 was a great year

You make stuff up as you go.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
47985 posts
Posted on 2/1/19 at 5:09 pm to
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Really. If you had a son with multi-million dollar NFL potential... would you want things kinda ok with the future of the HC? Or would you want ALL the t's crossed and all the i's dotted? 


Winning only creates stability.

Not some piece of paper that is broken every year by programs.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
47985 posts
Posted on 2/1/19 at 5:10 pm to
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No ones ever said 9-4 was a great year ? 

You make stuff up as you go.


Yet you make up talent disparities so you dont have to blame scheme and coaches.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
294431 posts
Posted on 2/1/19 at 5:10 pm to
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Yet LSU was still more talented this year


And we performed better
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
47985 posts
Posted on 2/1/19 at 5:11 pm to
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It’s weird that you’re using those ranking to tell me Herman is overrated but Yoo still think O didn’t have the talent to win 11 games.


He constantly applies logic to some coaches tat he doesnt apply to O.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
294431 posts
Posted on 2/1/19 at 5:12 pm to
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Yet you make up talent disparities



Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78139 posts
Posted on 2/1/19 at 5:14 pm to
Maybe you’re usinn a ranking that is from 2018 and doesn’t represent the team Herman took over.

Is talent all it takes to win? Because it seems like Herman took a talented team that was losing and not only improved the talent but helped them actually win games

Where as O took a talented team that average 9.25 games the 4 years before and won 9.5 games.
This post was edited on 2/1/19 at 5:17 pm
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
60594 posts
Posted on 2/1/19 at 5:17 pm to
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What coach at a program with title expectations gets extensions and raises after having 3.5 losses a year and the 5th best sec class?
what title seeking programs pay their coach 3.5 million?

You want to compare extensions w Herman as the other poster did? The other coaches seeking titles? Probably not the argument to take here.

It’s about the buyout. As you have mentioned. You give O a fifth year of his original at 6.25 million as Herman has, or 25 million guaranteed and we don’t need an extension.
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 2/1/19 at 5:17 pm to
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Winning only creates stability.

Not some piece of paper that is broken every year by programs.

Jimbo only won 9 games this season. But his 68 million-dollar buyout (and 9 year contract) provides a hell of a lot of stability.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
60594 posts
Posted on 2/1/19 at 5:18 pm to
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Jimbo only won 9 games this season. But his 68 million-dollar buyout (and 9 year contract) provides a hell of a lot of stability.


Exactly. Is terribly low salary make any comparisons to top 10 coaches silly
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78139 posts
Posted on 2/1/19 at 5:18 pm to
What championship seeking program hires a coach with a losing record

Besides Auburn.

Would paying O 6 million dollars a year make him more able to win a championship?
This post was edited on 2/1/19 at 5:22 pm
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