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The false narrative...”LSU is a young team”
Posted on 11/5/17 at 11:23 am
Posted on 11/5/17 at 11:23 am
Hannigrif spoke on this last night and he really got me thinking on how much you hear that statement and it’s false. On both offense & defense LSU loses a lot of players:
Guice
Etling
Moore
Williams
Chark
Gage
KJ Malone
Clapp (maybe)
Weathersby (maybe)
Key
Gilmore
LaCouture
Herron
Alexander
Thompson
Tolliver (maybe)
They have a few really good young players but O has to finish strong for the 2018 class. We desperately need a stud RB, in addition to OL, DL, & LB positions.
Guice
Etling
Moore
Williams
Chark
Gage
KJ Malone
Clapp (maybe)
Weathersby (maybe)
Key
Gilmore
LaCouture
Herron
Alexander
Thompson
Tolliver (maybe)
They have a few really good young players but O has to finish strong for the 2018 class. We desperately need a stud RB, in addition to OL, DL, & LB positions.
Posted on 11/5/17 at 11:27 am to teeMike
I still think we have played the most freshman per snap in the league. It's not that we are young, but we have a lot of young guys playing.
Posted on 11/5/17 at 11:29 am to teeMike
Eh I mean you only named about 8 starters. There are 14 other positions on the field that are being filled by freshman/sophomores. Also, a few of those guys have been hurt for a majority of our games this season, causing even more freshman to play and gain much needed experience.
This post was edited on 11/5/17 at 11:30 am
Posted on 11/5/17 at 11:35 am to OceanMan
quote:
still think we have played the most freshman per snap in the league. It's not that we are young, but we have a lot of young guys playing
This isn't new. This has been the norm for LSU most years. Not an excuse then, not an excuse now
Posted on 11/5/17 at 11:36 am to teeMike
I wouldn't just call them a "young team", but they are young a some key positions, like O line.
Posted on 11/5/17 at 11:36 am to cajunsaint
And if Aranda is right with what he said adding shelvin and fehoko to replace some seniors will be an upgrade possibly. We should see an upgrade at
Qb. Arm talent for sure.. Rashard Devin Big Ed fehoko.. that's some beast. This team is Pretty good. just some bad losses early due to key spots being very young and qb play not enough imo. This will be a better team next season but we have a brutal schedule so Idk. 9 wins this and next year is probable
Qb. Arm talent for sure.. Rashard Devin Big Ed fehoko.. that's some beast. This team is Pretty good. just some bad losses early due to key spots being very young and qb play not enough imo. This will be a better team next season but we have a brutal schedule so Idk. 9 wins this and next year is probable
Posted on 11/5/17 at 11:37 am to cajunsaint
quote:
Eh I mean you only named about 8 starters.
Yes 8 starters is alot it's almost half your starting 22.
LSU only started like 5 true freshmen this season.
Also started or not those guys are depth with experience.
Posted on 11/5/17 at 11:58 am to teeMike
Yep, next year LSU will be a young team.
Posted on 11/5/17 at 12:08 pm to teeMike
We fricked with farmer Fran.
Posted on 11/5/17 at 12:15 pm to teeMike
To copy and paste from countless other threads on this matter.
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Offense
QB
No. 16 Danny Etling 6-3, 215, SR
No. 15 Myles Brennan 6-4, 193, FR
No. 02 Lowell Narcisse 6-2, 231, FR
LT
No. 63 KJ Malone 6-4, 321, SR
No. 65 Jakori Savage 6-5, 317, FR
No. 76 Austin Deculus 6-5, 324, FR
LG
No. 78 Garrette Brumfield 6-3, 299, JR
No. 71 Donavaughn Campbell 6-4, 343, SO
C
No. 64 William Clapp 6-5, 314, JR
No. 79 Lloyd Cushenberry 6-4, 316, RSFR
RG
No. 70 Edward Ingram 6-4, 314, FR
or No. 77 Saahdiq Charles 6-5, 321, FR
RT
No. 66 Toby Weathersby 6-5, 308, JR
No. 76 Austin Deculus 6-5, 324, FR
WR
No. 07 DJ Chark 6-4, 198, SR
No. 32 Justin Jefferson 6-2, 180, FR
WR
No. 83 Russell Gage 6-0, 184, SR
No. 10 Stephen Sullivan 6-6, 235, SO
WR
No. 19 Derrick Dillon 5-11, 178, SO
No. 25 Drake Davis 6-4, 218, SO
No. 03 Jacoby Stevens 6-2, 216, FR
No. 81 Racey McMath 6-3, 215, FR
No. 86 Mannie Netherly 6-3, 194, FR
No. 11 Dee Anderson 6-6, 223, SO
Defense
NT
No. 99 Greg Gilmore 6-4, 308, SR
No. 95 Ed Alexander 6-2, 339, SO
RDE
No. 90 Rashard Lawrence 6-3, 300, SO
No. 96 Glen Logan 6-4, 315, RSFR
No. 92 Neil Farrell, Jr 6-4, 287, FR
No. 93 Justin Thomas 6-5, 277, FR
LDE
No. 18 Christian LaCouture 6-5, 292, SR
No. 97 Frank Herron 6-4, 312, SR
No. 92 Neil Farrell Jr. 6-4, 287, FR
No. 98 Deondre Clark 6-4, 268, SR
Bench LB
No. 49 Arden Key 6-6, 265, JR
No. 4 K’Lavon Chaisson 6-4, 240, FR
No. 43 Ray Thornton 6-3, 228, RSFR
No. 46 Andre Anthony 6-5, 242, RSFR
No. 87 Sci Martin 6-4, 256, SO
MLB
No. 48 Donnie Alexander 6-1, 230, SR
No. 24 Tyler Taylor 6-3, 238, FR
Rover
No. 40 Devin White 6-1, 248, SO
No. 6 Jacob Phillips 6-3, 237, FR
or No. 8 Patrick Queen 6-2, 220, FR
No. 51 Jonathan Rucker 6-1, 240, SR
Field LB
No. 23 Corey Thompson 6-2, 228, SR
No. 45 Michael Divinity Jr. 6-2, 239, SO
No. 35 Devin Voorhies 6-2, 223, SR
No. 56 MJ Patterson 6-4, 236, SR
CB
No. 29 Andraez “Greedy” Williams 6-2, 182, RSFR
No. 02 Kevin Toliver II 6-3, 204, JR
No. 22 Kristian Fulton 6-1, 195, SO
CB
No. 01 Donté Jackson 5-11, 175, JR
No. 13 Jontré Kirklin 6-0, 173, FR
Nickel
No. 15 Kary Vincent Jr. 5-10, 182, FR
No. 17 Xavier Lewis 6-0, 200, SO
FS
No. 09 Grant Delpit 6-3, 201, FR
No. 21 Ed Paris 6-1, 210, SR
No. 31 Cameron Lewis 6-2, 200, RSFR
SS
No. 26 John Battle 6-3, 201, JR
No. 30 Eric Monroe 6-0, 197, RSFR
No. 33 Todd Harris Jr. 6-0, 186, FR
Special Teams
PR
No. 07 DJ Chark 6-4, 198, SR
No. 01 Donté Jackson 5-11, 175, JR
No. 19 Derrick Dillon 5-11, 178, SO
KOR
No. 22 Clyde Edwards-Helaire 5-8, 208, FR
No. 25 Drake Davis 6-4, 218, SO
No. 13 Jontré Kirklin 6-0, 173, FR
No. 01 Donté Jackson 5-11, 175, JR
No. 19 Derrick Dillon 5-11, 178, SO
FG
No. 39 Jack Gonsoulin 5-9, 165, SO
No. 34 Connor Culp 5-11, 196, RSFR
KO
No. 36 Cameron Gamble 5-11, 199, SR
No. 34 Connor Culp 5-11, 196, RSFR
SNP
No. 50 Blake Ferguson 6-4, 234, SO
Punter
No. 38 Josh Growden 6-2, 204, SO
No. 46 Zach Von Rosenberg 6-5, 250, RSFR
https://www.dandydon.com/lsu_football_depth_chart.php
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Offense
QB
No. 16 Danny Etling 6-3, 215, SR
No. 15 Myles Brennan 6-4, 193, FR
No. 02 Lowell Narcisse 6-2, 231, FR
LT
No. 63 KJ Malone 6-4, 321, SR
No. 65 Jakori Savage 6-5, 317, FR
No. 76 Austin Deculus 6-5, 324, FR
LG
No. 78 Garrette Brumfield 6-3, 299, JR
No. 71 Donavaughn Campbell 6-4, 343, SO
C
No. 64 William Clapp 6-5, 314, JR
No. 79 Lloyd Cushenberry 6-4, 316, RSFR
RG
No. 70 Edward Ingram 6-4, 314, FR
or No. 77 Saahdiq Charles 6-5, 321, FR
RT
No. 66 Toby Weathersby 6-5, 308, JR
No. 76 Austin Deculus 6-5, 324, FR
WR
No. 07 DJ Chark 6-4, 198, SR
No. 32 Justin Jefferson 6-2, 180, FR
WR
No. 83 Russell Gage 6-0, 184, SR
No. 10 Stephen Sullivan 6-6, 235, SO
WR
No. 19 Derrick Dillon 5-11, 178, SO
No. 25 Drake Davis 6-4, 218, SO
No. 03 Jacoby Stevens 6-2, 216, FR
No. 81 Racey McMath 6-3, 215, FR
No. 86 Mannie Netherly 6-3, 194, FR
No. 11 Dee Anderson 6-6, 223, SO
Defense
NT
No. 99 Greg Gilmore 6-4, 308, SR
No. 95 Ed Alexander 6-2, 339, SO
RDE
No. 90 Rashard Lawrence 6-3, 300, SO
No. 96 Glen Logan 6-4, 315, RSFR
No. 92 Neil Farrell, Jr 6-4, 287, FR
No. 93 Justin Thomas 6-5, 277, FR
LDE
No. 18 Christian LaCouture 6-5, 292, SR
No. 97 Frank Herron 6-4, 312, SR
No. 92 Neil Farrell Jr. 6-4, 287, FR
No. 98 Deondre Clark 6-4, 268, SR
Bench LB
No. 49 Arden Key 6-6, 265, JR
No. 4 K’Lavon Chaisson 6-4, 240, FR
No. 43 Ray Thornton 6-3, 228, RSFR
No. 46 Andre Anthony 6-5, 242, RSFR
No. 87 Sci Martin 6-4, 256, SO
MLB
No. 48 Donnie Alexander 6-1, 230, SR
No. 24 Tyler Taylor 6-3, 238, FR
Rover
No. 40 Devin White 6-1, 248, SO
No. 6 Jacob Phillips 6-3, 237, FR
or No. 8 Patrick Queen 6-2, 220, FR
No. 51 Jonathan Rucker 6-1, 240, SR
Field LB
No. 23 Corey Thompson 6-2, 228, SR
No. 45 Michael Divinity Jr. 6-2, 239, SO
No. 35 Devin Voorhies 6-2, 223, SR
No. 56 MJ Patterson 6-4, 236, SR
CB
No. 29 Andraez “Greedy” Williams 6-2, 182, RSFR
No. 02 Kevin Toliver II 6-3, 204, JR
No. 22 Kristian Fulton 6-1, 195, SO
CB
No. 01 Donté Jackson 5-11, 175, JR
No. 13 Jontré Kirklin 6-0, 173, FR
Nickel
No. 15 Kary Vincent Jr. 5-10, 182, FR
No. 17 Xavier Lewis 6-0, 200, SO
FS
No. 09 Grant Delpit 6-3, 201, FR
No. 21 Ed Paris 6-1, 210, SR
No. 31 Cameron Lewis 6-2, 200, RSFR
SS
No. 26 John Battle 6-3, 201, JR
No. 30 Eric Monroe 6-0, 197, RSFR
No. 33 Todd Harris Jr. 6-0, 186, FR
Special Teams
PR
No. 07 DJ Chark 6-4, 198, SR
No. 01 Donté Jackson 5-11, 175, JR
No. 19 Derrick Dillon 5-11, 178, SO
KOR
No. 22 Clyde Edwards-Helaire 5-8, 208, FR
No. 25 Drake Davis 6-4, 218, SO
No. 13 Jontré Kirklin 6-0, 173, FR
No. 01 Donté Jackson 5-11, 175, JR
No. 19 Derrick Dillon 5-11, 178, SO
FG
No. 39 Jack Gonsoulin 5-9, 165, SO
No. 34 Connor Culp 5-11, 196, RSFR
KO
No. 36 Cameron Gamble 5-11, 199, SR
No. 34 Connor Culp 5-11, 196, RSFR
SNP
No. 50 Blake Ferguson 6-4, 234, SO
Punter
No. 38 Josh Growden 6-2, 204, SO
No. 46 Zach Von Rosenberg 6-5, 250, RSFR
https://www.dandydon.com/lsu_football_depth_chart.php
Posted on 11/5/17 at 12:17 pm to Tiger Ree
(This is for players who have started for the first time this season only and does not include players who spell the starters).
* Twenty-one Tigers have earned starts for the first time so far this season:
DE Ed Alexander, Sophomore
RB Nick Brossette, Junior
OG Garrett Brumfield, Junior
TE/F Tory Carter, True freshman
RG Saahdiq Charles, True freshman
LB K'Lavon Chaisson, True freshman
WR Drake Davis, Sophomore
S Grant Delpit, True freshman
WR Derrick Dillon, Sophomore
OL Ed Ingram, True freshman
DE Rashard Lawrence, Sophomore
DE Glen Logan, RS Freshman
OL Adrian Magee, Sophomore
S Eric Monroe, RS Freshman
TE Jamal Pettigrew, RS Freshman
WR JaCoby Stevens, True freshman
WR Stephen Sullivan, Sophomore
LB Tyler Taylor, True freshman
Nickel Kary Vincent Jr., True freshman
CB Andraez Williams, RS Freshman
LB Devin White, Sophomore
8 True Freshmen
4 RS Freshmen
7 Sophomores
2 Juniors
* Twenty-one Tigers have earned starts for the first time so far this season:
DE Ed Alexander, Sophomore
RB Nick Brossette, Junior
OG Garrett Brumfield, Junior
TE/F Tory Carter, True freshman
RG Saahdiq Charles, True freshman
LB K'Lavon Chaisson, True freshman
WR Drake Davis, Sophomore
S Grant Delpit, True freshman
WR Derrick Dillon, Sophomore
OL Ed Ingram, True freshman
DE Rashard Lawrence, Sophomore
DE Glen Logan, RS Freshman
OL Adrian Magee, Sophomore
S Eric Monroe, RS Freshman
TE Jamal Pettigrew, RS Freshman
WR JaCoby Stevens, True freshman
WR Stephen Sullivan, Sophomore
LB Tyler Taylor, True freshman
Nickel Kary Vincent Jr., True freshman
CB Andraez Williams, RS Freshman
LB Devin White, Sophomore
8 True Freshmen
4 RS Freshmen
7 Sophomores
2 Juniors
Posted on 11/5/17 at 12:18 pm to Tiger Ree
Here is some info from the LSU website:
https://www.lsusports.net/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=211151291
this is about true freshmen and doesn't take into account the redshirt freshmen.
https://www.lsusports.net/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=211151291
this is about true freshmen and doesn't take into account the redshirt freshmen.
quote:
True Freshmen Continue to Play Big Roles at LSU
* So far this season, 20 true freshmen have played for the Tigers, which is tied for the most in the nation after seven weeks of the season.
quote:
* With Charles' start against BYU, he became the first true freshman to start a season opener on the offensive line since at least World War II.
quote:
* LSU's eight true freshmen starters in 2017 are the most since at least 2005
quote:
* The four true freshmen (Charles, Chaisson, Taylor and Delpit) who started the season opener matched the total number between 2000-16.
quote:
* The four true freshmen starters were the most in the nation to start the 2017 season
quote:
* Against BYU, 17 true freshmen saw action for the most by an LSU team in a season opener since at least 1995.
quote:
* The following is a list of true freshmen who have played this season: QB Myles Brennan, TE/F Tory Carter, LB K’Lavon Chaisson, RG Saahdiq Charles, OG Austin Deculus, FS Grant Delpit, RB Clyde Edwards-Helaire, DE Neil Farrell Jr., S Todd Harris Jr., OG Ed Ingram, WR Justin Jefferson, CB Jontre Kirklin, WR Racey McMath, WR Mannie Netherly, LB Jacob Phillips, LB Patrick Queen, WR JaCoby Stevens, LB Tyler Taylor, DE Justin Thomas, CB Kary Vincent Jr.
quote:
Twenty-One First-Time Starters So Far in 2017
quote:
Most True Freshmen Starters by Year Since 2005
2017
8
Posted on 11/5/17 at 12:22 pm to teeMike
On the 2-deep on both sides of the ball I think they have a combined 11 total seniors. Break down the 2-deeps and count the number of true frosh, redshirt frosh , and true sophomores.
Posted on 11/5/17 at 12:23 pm to teeMike
we have a mix of youth and upperclassmen. also at least two of those three "maybe"s" are coming back, which adds a lot to the list
key has Chaisson following him up. obviously everyone's anxious to see how Guice and Williams will be replaced. Brennan has a better arm than Danny, but fml that dud needs to add 25 lbs asap
key has Chaisson following him up. obviously everyone's anxious to see how Guice and Williams will be replaced. Brennan has a better arm than Danny, but fml that dud needs to add 25 lbs asap
This post was edited on 11/5/17 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 11/5/17 at 12:24 pm to Tiger Ree
There is no point in posting depth charts on here most posters are too dumb to realize that the depth chart is the true indicator of how young a team is. I guess they think starters play every play
Posted on 11/5/17 at 1:02 pm to teeMike
quote:
Guice Etling Moore Williams Chark Gage KJ Malone Clapp (maybe) Weathersby (maybe) Key Gilmore LaCouture Herron Alexander Thompson Tolliver (maybe)
Out of these, whom will we really miss (considering both their contributions and who's coming back):
Guice, Williams, Key, Gilmore
Posted on 11/5/17 at 1:04 pm to teeMike
You're ruining the narrative for these idiot coach O lovers.
Posted on 11/5/17 at 1:10 pm to teeMike
Guice & Key and maybe Chark are the only ones that won't be replaced by someone with more talent
This post was edited on 11/5/17 at 1:11 pm
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