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re: TGBFTL in Zulu parade
Posted on 2/21/19 at 10:37 am to Big EZ Tiger
Posted on 2/21/19 at 10:37 am to Big EZ Tiger
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It is their personal choice to perform
Right. However, this choice requires some thought because when the band appears in uniform, they are representing the entire university.
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if the majority of black people in New Orleans think it's ok and not racist to them, who the hell am I to tell them they are wrong?
The definition of racism is not defined by the "people of New Orleans." Our national conscience does. If the majority of (white) people in a given city believe black people should sit in the rear of the bus, it is still racist!
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Posted on 2/21/19 at 10:38 am to Irish LSU Fan
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Our national conscience does
Posted on 2/21/19 at 10:42 am to Irish LSU Fan
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The definition of racism is not defined by the "people of New Orleans." Our national conscience does. If the majority of (white) people in a given city believe black people should sit in the rear of the bus, it is still racist!
good grief, do you realize that the reason for Zulu using blackface is that they didn't have the money to buy masks...
are you trying to enforce YOUR cultural norms on a group that has done no harm and a lot of good?????
Posted on 2/21/19 at 10:44 am to RogerTheShrubber
Question.....
Would Rex be allowed to have a float with its riders dressed in blackface? If it would be wrong for Rex, then it MUST be wrong for Zulu.
Would Rex be allowed to have a float with its riders dressed in blackface? If it would be wrong for Rex, then it MUST be wrong for Zulu.
Posted on 2/21/19 at 10:50 am to Irish LSU Fan
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If it would be wrong for Rex, then it MUST be wrong for Zulu.
You have absolutely no ability to think outside the box.
Most things are subjective, not objective.
Posted on 2/21/19 at 10:53 am to vl100butch
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do you realize that the reason for Zulu using blackface is that they didn't have the money to buy masks
I assume you mean in the past. What is their reason today? Please don't say tradition. I've already outlined why "tradition" is not a justification for any poor behavior (hazing, discrimination, etc).
Posted on 2/21/19 at 10:53 am to Irish LSU Fan
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Would Rex be allowed to have a float with its riders dressed in blackface? If it would be wrong for Rex, then it MUST be wrong for Zulu.
Think of it like using the n-word. It's not ok for anyone but black folks to use it.
Posted on 2/21/19 at 10:54 am to Irish LSU Fan
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I've already outlined why "tradition" is not a justification for any poor behavior
Blackface isn't poor behavior.
Blackface to intimidate or antagonize is poor behavior.
Posted on 2/21/19 at 11:01 am to Irish LSU Fan
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WOW.....so, a racist act (blackface) is less racist if a person of color thinks it is OK? I call BS on all of this.
It’s not Inherently racist.
It’s racist because of its historic use of locking black people.
Which isn’t its history in the context of the Zulu parade.
Posted on 2/21/19 at 11:08 am to SammyTiger
Posted on 2/21/19 at 11:10 am to Irish LSU Fan
Yeah like I said,
It has historical context of racism, which isn’t the same as its historical context in Zulu, a historically black parade.
Putting black paint on your face isn’t racist. Putting black paint on your face to specifically mock Black people is.
It has historical context of racism, which isn’t the same as its historical context in Zulu, a historically black parade.
Putting black paint on your face isn’t racist. Putting black paint on your face to specifically mock Black people is.
This post was edited on 2/21/19 at 11:14 am
Posted on 2/21/19 at 11:12 am to Big EZ Tiger
Posted on 2/21/19 at 11:25 am to Irish LSU Fan
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From the Advocate: Group that pushed for statue removal wants Zulu to discontinue use of blackface
You mean the same group started by and full of people from every other city in the fricking country but New Orleans? Yeah, that group can get fricked.
Posted on 2/21/19 at 11:28 am to Irish LSU Fan
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From the Advocate: Group that pushed for statue removal wants Zulu to discontinue use of blackface
I imagine most are white and from out of town.
Posted on 2/21/19 at 11:31 am to RogerTheShrubber
If you want to see what that groups about notice they want the name of Touro Infirmary to be changes but not the name of Touro Synagogue.
Named after the same guy, but they know asking one of the oldest synagogues to change its name would be a bad PR move.
No conviction.
Named after the same guy, but they know asking one of the oldest synagogues to change its name would be a bad PR move.
No conviction.
Posted on 2/21/19 at 11:31 am to RogerTheShrubber
This is what the actual social club thinks about it. But by all means random white guy on an LSU message board, go on with your soap box bullshite. 
Irsh Guy Gonna be mad
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Amid fresh controversies over pictures of politicians and other public figures wearing “blackface,” the Zulu Social Aid & Pleasure Club has released a statement defending the historic Carnival organization’s use of black face paint.
While Zulu members traditionally wear grass skirts, carry spears, and paint their faces black every Mardi Gras Day as the iconic krewe winds its way through the city, that iconography should not be misconstrued as racist or demeaning, according to Zulu spokesman Clarence Becknell.
“Those who incorrectly compare our use of black makeup to ‘blackface’ minstrelsy can first look to our name to dispel that notion,” Becknell said. “Unlike minstrelsy, which was designed to ridicule and mock black people, the founders of our Social Aid & Pleasure Club chose the name ‘Zulu’ to honor their African ancestry and the continent’s most fierce warriors.”
Irsh Guy Gonna be mad
Posted on 2/21/19 at 11:33 am to Irish LSU Fan
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I call BS if Zulu is not held to the same standard. The LSU band represents LSU and should not be associated with this issue.
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Then march in Rex.
You sound racist.
This post was edited on 2/21/19 at 11:34 am
Posted on 2/21/19 at 11:39 am to Irish LSU Fan
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Blackface is not the way to honor African-Americans.
Why does some pasty, reheaded Irish fool get to decide what is and isn't an acceptable way to honor the african american contributions to Mardi Gras?
This post was edited on 2/21/19 at 11:45 am
Posted on 2/21/19 at 11:44 am to Irish LSU Fan
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If the majority of (white) people in a given city believe black people should sit in the rear of the bus, it is still racist!
this example doesn't apply to our discussion cuz white people aren't making black people do anything.
Would it be racist if Black people decided on their own that they like the back of the bus and chose to sit there? Cuz that is more accurate to what is happening with Zulu.
You are in the same ridiculous realm that feminist are when they claim that a woman who chooses to marry a man and quit her career to be a stay at home mom is somehow hurting women's rights.
This post was edited on 2/21/19 at 11:45 am
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