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Stuff happens. Best player @ UGA is a walkon. Best player on Bama D is 3 star Q Williams
who never started before this year and was redshirted and lost on the depth chart. But had several sacks last Sat night. Tua wouldn't be at Bama if Fromm hadn't backed out on his commitment to UA and changed to Georgia. Kiffin got busy and used his old west coast connection to Hawaii to replace him.

Ed O is all over the place. Looking for transfers, looking for guys he can flip, showing guys LSU has oppty (EX: showing little TUA how he can be his own show at a school where he won't be following Namath, Stabler, and his own brother for heaven's sakes). Looking for guys whose parents would love living in a now close to a million pop area dominated by minorities. And "offers" job opportunity. Drive through the parking lots at Alabama, LSU, Georgia, Auburn, Florida ape dorms and you'll see the same thing. Same vehicles. When Spurrier was at UF they had guys in MB's to Ferrari's. LOL. Their ain't no tractors parked behind the AU dorm. And Ed's bunch ain't little boys in short britches who just got off the short bus. And no he ain't backing down. Or wallowing in misery. All things change, that is the constant. Maybe LSU needs better coaches in some areas. But so do others. Saban's bunch can't recruit, select or teach kicking. And was bad recruiting, coaching and teaching QB's before Kiffin. They were grab assing for a QB every year. Worse than LSU. Best one he had before Tua was one he inherited from Shula. They were starting fifth year ex db's, transfer who couldn't play at other schools and so forth. Yeah shite happens.


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re: Stuff happens. Best player @ UGA is a walkon. Best player on Bama D is 3 star Q Williams
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who never started before this year and was redshirted and lost on the depth chart. But had several sacks last Sat night. Tua wouldn't be at Bama if Fromm hadn't backed out on his commitment to UA and changed to Georgia. Kiffin got busy and used his old west coast connection to Hawaii to replace him.
Nope. Tua's main reason for going to Alabama was Sark. I could probably stop reading here, but why not? I'm bored.
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Ed O is all over the place. Looking for transfers, looking for guys he can flip, showing guys LSU has oppty
Yes. Nobody is questioning O's ability to recruit. He's doing great.
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Looking for guys whose parents would love living in a now close to a million pop area dominated by minorities. And "offers" job opportunity. Drive through the parking lots at Alabama, LSU, Georgia, Auburn, Florida ape dorms and you'll see the same thing. Same vehicles. When Spurrier was at UF they had guys in MB's to Ferrari's. LOL. Their ain't no tractors parked behind the AU dorm.
I'm going to ignore this...
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Maybe LSU needs better coaches in some areas. But so do others
Yes. Yes. This I agree with. But the fact that other schools need coaches too is not an excuse for us to not improve in that area. I'm sure you know that.
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But so do others. Saban's bunch can't recruit, select or teach kicking. And was bad recruiting, coaching and teaching QB's before Kiffin. They were grab assing for a QB every year. Worse than LSU. Best one he had before Tua was one he inherited from Shula. They were starting fifth year ex db's, transfer who couldn't play at other schools and so forth.
Yes. Yes they did improve their offensive coaching. We should too.
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Yeah shite happens.
It does.

So what exactly is the point of your post? That O can right the ship? I agree, but he never will if he doesn't accept like Saban did that offensive innovation is important. Their defense could be complete arse and they would still probably win a championship this year. They would also win a championship with Hurts at QB.

We have to change with the times. You can't just plug in anyone to run your offense and call plays. I love E, but we need and can get someone better. A lot of people want to blame everything on lack of talent and players. Well that's great. O is on top of that. Now let's get on top having a more innovative offense.
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re: Stuff happens. Best player @ UGA is a walkon. Best player on Bama D is 3 star Q Williams
Well we agree more than we disagree. So here's my fix to your post since you tried to fix mine.

* Tua was recruited by Kiffin, not Sark who was an analyst and could not recruit.

* Wrong. Plenty of fans are claiming that LSU is somehow held back by recruiting and bringing in talent. Somehow getting out cheated. LOL. Check NFL rosters. And LSU and UA have the exact same number of 5 stars on roster. Both a couple less than Georgia.

* Ok. Reality bites. But know this: the game is exactly the same all over. And LSU holds all he advantages and uses them.

* Well in case you hadn't checked Orgeron just unloaded his gear in the head coaching office. Fans want to compare him to Saban. Who shite the bed his first year. And it took Saban what...12 years to land and get a QB behind center. And he still can't find his arse with both hands finding a kicking game coach. And the Tigers have been as high as the third ranked team in America this year. In a year they were picked by some experts to finish 5th....in the SEC....WEST!

Orgeron knows what must be done. Your problem is reality, you can't accept that it takes time to get much if not most of this done. You are like other fans and want instant gratification and relief from the Bama scourge. OK.
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Tua was recruited by Kiffin, not Sark who was an analyst and could not recruit.
Kiffin may have recruited him, but he doesn't go to Bama without Sark more than likely. He was a silent commit to Sark at USC. So, you can split hairs all you want, but Tua wanted to work with Sark. He knew it was going to be Kiffin's last year. It wouldn't make any sense for Tua to go to Alabama for Kiffin. The plan was for Sark to take over. And if you think Bama was following the rules with Sark not being allowed to recruit, please. You've already acknowledged that programs LOVE to follow the rules lol.
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* Wrong. Plenty of fans are claiming that LSU is somehow held back by recruiting and bringing in talent. Somehow getting out cheated. LOL. Check NFL rosters.
Not as many as you think. Most just want a better offensive plan. You have to read between the lines. Not everyone is freaking out about the Bama loss and calling for a clean slate.
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* Well in case you hadn't checked Orgeron just unloaded his gear in the head coaching office. Fans want to compare him to Saban. Who shite the bed his first year. And it took Saban what...12 years to land and get a QB behind center. And he still can't find his arse with both hands finding a kicking game coach. And the Tigers have been as high as the third ranked team in America this year. In a year they were picked by some experts to finish 5th....in the SEC....WEST!

Orgeron knows what must be done. Your problem is reality, you can't accept that it takes time to get much if not most of this done. You are like other fans and want instant gratification and relief from the Bama scourge. OK.
What are you talking about? What does this have to do with bringing in a better OC? Are you drunk? Are you assuming my intentions. It's simple. I want O to bring in an OC. I want him to continue his recruiting success. I want to retain Aranda. Nothing more, nothing less. Do I expect O to be Nick Saban? No. Do I expect him to do what's best for the program? Yes.
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re: Stuff happens. Best player @ UGA is a walkon. Best player on Bama D is 3 star Q Williams
You know exactly what I just said! It takes a little time. Saban has had 12 years and Ed...what 1 and a half or so.

BTW, If I were drunk, I could sleep it off in hours. Your problem can't be cured with a good nights rest. It's likely frustration and hangover from Sat. Plus the past history and LSU running Saban off and they did. Where was this "concern" after 36-16? It didn't exist. LSU's OL is average to pretty good. And has had issues. The QB is a warrior but ain't all that from a physical talent perspective. And their skill people are not what they have been used too. Orgeron and Ensminger have done a great job IMO. But they were in over the teams heads vs UA.


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re: Stuff happens. Best player @ UGA is a walkon. Best player on Bama D is 3 star Q Williams
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Saban has had 12 years
How many championships has he won in that time? How many OC changes has he gone through? You've already admitted that they improved their offensive coaching.
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BTW, If I were drunk, I could sleep it off in hours. Your problem can't be cured with a good nights rest.
What is my problem? To want a better OC? That's a problem? Why is it a bad thing that I want that? Why is that a problem? This is a message board. It is here to discuss the good, bad, and ugly. And this offense is ugly.
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Plus the past history and LSU running Saban off and they did.
WTF? Who gives a shite about this?
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Where was this "concern" after 36-16? It didn't exist.
Who cares? You should be happy that this is being pointed out now. Are you angry because the truth is being pointed out? Why?
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LSU's OL is average to pretty good. And has had issues. The QB is a warrior but ain't all that from a physical talent perspective. And their skill people are not what they have been used too.
Agreed, and O is working on making that better. I think he'll do a great job.
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Orgeron and Ensminger have done a great job IMO. But they were in over the teams heads vs UA.
First of all, if Orgeron is in over his head, we are in trouble. He should never be in over his head.

Second, I know you find this topic disrespectful to SE, and probably O. I'm sorry for that. I'm not here to coddle you or anyone else. This is about what's best for LSU. I know you can't possibly think that almost dead last in offense is doing a good job. I understand you and other people get offended by this talk because you love SE. I don't really give a shite.


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re: Stuff happens. Best player @ UGA is a walkon. Best player on Bama D is 3 star Q Williams
Maybe it's player development issues. Les couldnt develop, O is a little better... maybe. Bama/UGA might be above average at teaching people new ways to do things within their skill set to make them look better. Canada was that guy, but we fired him because bald man bad


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re: Stuff happens. Best player @ UGA is a walkon. Best player on Bama D is 3 star Q Williams
Care to compare Sabans pre Alabama record versus Os?

I am ok with giving O a chance and think he’s doing well actually, but don’t compare him to the best coach in NCAA history. That makes you look foolish.

The offense needs work. It’s a fact. I like the work O put in for Burrow. I like how the RBs are better than expected. I actually think the oline is on a good trajectory (the game plan vs an inspired Bama squad did hurt them). On that note, SE is not the OC for the long term success of this team.....hell, Steve doesn’t want it long term!!!!!!


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re: Stuff happens. Best player @ UGA is a walkon. Best player on Bama D is 3 star Q Williams
Fake News. Quintin Williams was a 4* #156 in the country.

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I'm pretty convinced he was a drunk Bama fan trolling.


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re: Stuff happens. Best player @ UGA is a walkon. Best player on Bama D is 3 star Q Williams
* The offense improved because they recruited better players. As to better coaches it's obvious the current QB coach is good. He did a hell of a job @ Arky. But why i that an admission. That's an opinion. Kiffin was good too.

* Your problem? Damn you want an unknown poster on a sports board to be your analyst? Already given you my impression based on your wild angst and anger is it's frustration. But I could be wrong. Maybe it is drugs or strong drink..how the hell would I know? Sounds like your solution is to churn through and throw out coaches looking for a miracle? Til your anger subsides?

* A mortal ton of people give a shite that you ran off Nick Saban including you.

* I pointed out your frustration simply because it didn't exist after UGA. Laughing at you and your little fit.

* You struggle some with reading comp. Over "The team's head" or maybe you're just lying. Wouldn't know.

* Actually I'm a cold blooded son of a gun who has trouble loving people who I should love. Ensminger? I would "likely pick him" up if he needed a ride as long as it didn't put me out, past that, like I said I'm cold blooded. The guy can scheme obviously. And the head coach thinks he can install what he wants to do. Scott Frost looked like Jesus coaching CFB last year and this one he can't beat his own ass. WTF does anyone know any more.



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Oh look. He's still here.


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Had fun making you look stupid for a little bit. But you are either trolling or bat shite. Have a nice life.


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re: Stuff happens. Best player @ UGA is a walkon. Best player on Bama D is 3 star Q Williams
Do everyone a favor and post less.


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jimdog
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re: Stuff happens. Best player @ UGA is a walkon. Best player on Bama D is 3 star Q Williams
Good catch. I just remember he wanted UA but they slow played him and only took him after they lost others. It is true he was a backup and seemingly came out of nowhere. The other two dl's started some and were the touted guys. I stand corrected on the stars.


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re: Stuff happens. Best player @ UGA is a walkon. Best player on Bama D is 3 star Q Williams
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Your problem is reality, you can't accept that it takes time to get much if not most of this done. You are like other fans and want instant gratification and relief from the Bama scourge. OK.


Sounds like youre making excuses so CEO can collect as many paychecks as possible before everyone calls his bluff.

He hires a good OC in Canada and then meddles in his offense, of which Ed "Im the coach, we gonna do what I want" Ogeron knows nothing about, then he shitcans him after one wasted year and hires a 20 year TE coach from Les Miles' staff who didnt even want the job.

"We gonna go out and get the best offensive coordinator in the nation" -Ed Orgeron.
























The only leash Ill give him is this -

Its possible Canada really was a problem behind closed doors. So much so that CEO had to can him. That fact that Canada moves around so much could lend support to this notion. Once he was canned, CEO had 1 or 2 OC targets that werent ready for this year and he needed a stop-gap solution until 2019 when they become available. Hence, he begged Ensminger to fill-in until then and play it safe and do just enough to keep LSUs head above water until then. The praising Ensminger could just be coach speak and an atta-boy to Ensminger as a thank you for sticking his neck out and risking his reputation as a likeable guy. I imagine that Ensminger, being a local boy and LSU alum knew he wasnt the answer at OC and didnt want to take over and get out of good graces with Tiger fans. Dude still has to live here after all of this.

Thats the only plausible theory. If not, then its exactly as it seems and CEO really thinks this is the answer. If that the case, he probably wont finish out his contract.
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jimdog
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re: Stuff happens. Best player @ UGA is a walkon. Best player on Bama D is 3 star Q Williams
Thanks...Hats off to you for trying hard. And you do. BTW, I'm old and retired with nothing better to do. Shouldn't you be maybe focused on something more important? Just wondering...DGAS but damn.


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