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Speaking of diluting the annual SEC rivalries by adding conference teams...

Posted on 7/29/21 at 11:05 am
Posted by covtgr
Covington
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 7/29/21 at 11:05 am
it got me wondering about historical frequency of games played vs SEC opponents.

I was shocked by some of the huge gaps in games between LSU and conference foes when there were fewer teams. No relevance to upcoming changes, but it was interesting to me. For example:

- LSU played UGA every year from 1943 to 1953 except 1946. They would not play again until 1978.

- LSU Auburn is now considered one of the most entertaining rivalries in the SEC. LSU and Auburn played every season from 1934 to 1942. They didn't play again until 1969. Also zero games between matchups in 1973 & 1981. After '81 the next game was the Earthquake game in 1988.

- Going back a ways here, but I was surprised to see LSU and Alabama did not play each other once between games in 1930 and 1944. Also a short break between 1958 and 1964.

- Following frequent meetings in the 30s, 40s, & 50s, there were no games between LSU & Vanderbilt from 1957 to 1976.

Posted by tiger perry
Member since Dec 2009
25668 posts
Posted on 7/29/21 at 11:08 am to
It is important that the SEC play a 4 team pod schedule so the remaining games can be spread around to all foes. You don't get that in a East West scenario. LSU would rarely play Eastern foes in the SEC
Posted by LSUstudent2006
Member since Jun 2005
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Posted on 7/29/21 at 11:14 am to
LSU played Kentucky from 1952-2002, yet when the SEC went to the latest permanent cross division rival, LSU got…Florida

Posted by WPBTiger
Parts Unknown
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Posted on 7/29/21 at 11:25 am to
This is why the SEC needs to go to the POD system for scheduling.
Posted by Indiana Tiger
Member since Feb 2005
4057 posts
Posted on 7/29/21 at 12:01 pm to
The history of the SEC is really one of groups, both natural and forced. For most of our existence, teams didn't always play each other very often. You just pointed out one example with GA.

We didn't even play the same number of games until like the late 70s when we standardized on 6 games while rotating with the rest. Lost a at least one conference championship because of the unbalanced schedules.

The SEC only had two brief periods where we seemed to be a single conference. The first was from 88-91. We played 7 games; 5 permanent and 2 rotating. Took 4 years to do home and away with whole conference.

Expansion killed that with the forced grouping and 2 permanent games. In 2002 we dropped one of the permanents and it only took 5 years to get through the conference.

The family feeling can come from two different approaches. We can continue to be separate groups for the most part and your family will be your group. You'll get used to them, but it ain't gonna be the same family as before.

The other way is to design it where you get to experience everyone frequently. You can do this with 16 teams easily. My favorite approach is the use of virtual pods; 9 games, 3 mutually agree common opponents, and rotate home and home with the remaining teams over 4 years.

Ironically, expansion gives us the best chance to come together again.
Posted by armytiger96
Member since Sep 2007
1185 posts
Posted on 7/29/21 at 12:14 pm to
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LSU played Kentucky from 1952-2002, yet when the SEC went to the latest permanent cross division rival, LSU got…Florida


You conveniently failed to mention that LSU had a similar streak in playing FL. Going off of memory we played FL every year since the mid 1950’s except two consecutive years in the 60’s.

This is the reason why FL and KY were our permanent rivals when the SEC first expanded in 1992. Ironically LSU sucked then and no one complained about being paired up with FL every year.

We become a dominant program and our Coach that wants to point out 18 y/o’s without a chest uses Alleva and the media to push this narrative of unfairness.
Posted by Righteous Dude
Member since Oct 2017
1297 posts
Posted on 7/29/21 at 12:23 pm to
I don't remember playing Tennessee that much in the 60's/70's either.
Posted by Purple Tiger King
Member since Jan 2021
2016 posts
Posted on 7/29/21 at 1:42 pm to
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It is important that the SEC play a 4 team pod schedule


Only if you want to take away LSU's very advantageous position the addition of OU and Texas to the SEC West and the movement of Auburn and Alabama to the SEC East gives to LSU.

What will inevitably happen as soon as Alabama is moved to the SEC East is Nick Saban will make UGA and Florida his bitches.

Then as soon as Alabama is moved to the SEC East, LSU will be able to step into the role of being the top-dog in the SEC West.

Meanwhile, since all the elite of the most elite recruits want to play for the top dog, LSU would end up with the greater bulk of those elite recruits because no other head coach in the SEC West is as good as a recruiter as Ed O.

Thus, with the bulk of those elite recruits committing to LSU every year, then LSU and Alabama would still play every year, but on a neutral field for the SEC Championship title.

As LSU and Alabama would inevitably win their respective divisions every year. Sort of like UGA would win the SEC East Division and lose to Alabama, the SEC West Division winner, in the SEC title game every year.

Then when the new 12-team College Football Playoffs begin in the not too distant future, LSU and Alabama would play in it every year.

I mean, maintaining the current two division set up not only makes the most sense geographically, but it would also preserve all the current rivalries.

Why would you want to sacrifice that amazing advantage LSU will be put in with the current two division system to play in an idiotic Pod system? I just don't get it.

Moreover, please explain how an SEC Championship would be decided with four pods? Would there be a four pod playoff system set up within he SEC to decide the champion on the field? Which would entail additional games on top of the additional games the new expanded playoffs system would require. I mean, that would mean that some SEC teams would have to play more games than most NFL teams.

Or would funky tie breakers be put in place to pick the champion, as opposed to the champion being decided on the football field?

Exactly how an SEC Champion would be crowned in a Pod System that would make sacrificing LSU's amazing advantage by remaining in the two division setup we currently have worth it?
Posted by Purple Tiger King
Member since Jan 2021
2016 posts
Posted on 7/29/21 at 1:54 pm to
quote:

This is why the SEC needs to go to the POD system for scheduling.


So you want LSU to sacrifice the amazing advantage LSU would gain by remaining in the current two division setup with the addition of adding Texas and OU to the SEC West and the moving of Auburn and Alabama into the SEC East?

Not to mention that the current two east and west divisions setup not only makes the most sense geographically, but also maintains the current rivalries at the same time.

Meanwhile, what will inevitably happen as soon as Alabama is moved to the SEC East is Nick Saban will make UGA and Florida his bitches.

Then as soon as Alabama is moved to the SEC East, LSU will be able to step into the role of being the top-dog in the SEC West.

Meanwhile, since all the elite of the most elite recruits want to play for the top dog, LSU would end up with the greater bulk of those elite recruits because no other head coach in the SEC West is as good as a recruiter as Ed O.

Thus, with the bulk of those elite recruits committing to LSU every year, then LSU and Alabama would still play every year, but on a neutral field for the SEC Championship title.

As LSU and Alabama would inevitably win their respective divisions every year. Sort of like UGA would win the SEC East Division and lose to Alabama, the SEC West Division winner, in the SEC title game every year.

Then when the new 12-team College Football Playoffs begin in the not too distant future, both LSU and Alabama would play in it every year.

Therefore, why would you want to sacrifice that amazing advantage LSU will be put in with the current two division system to play in an idiotic Pod system? I just don't get it.

Moreover, please explain how an SEC Championship would be decided with four pods? Would there be a four pod playoff system set up within he SEC to decide the champion on the field? Which would entail additional games on top of the additional games the new expanded playoffs system would require. I mean, that would mean that some SEC teams would have to play more games than most NFL teams.

Or would funky tie breakers be put in place to pick the champion, as opposed to the champion being decided on the football field?

Exactly how an SEC Champion would be crowned in a Pod System that would make sacrificing LSU's amazing advantage by remaining in the two division setup we currently have worth it?
This post was edited on 7/29/21 at 1:55 pm
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
34538 posts
Posted on 7/29/21 at 2:00 pm to
I'm in favor of the pod system only as long as Alabama's pod is officially designated the "Tide Pod".
LSU would be in the "Tabasco Pod"
Florida in the "SunKist Pod"
Missouri in the "Branson Pod"


Sign the sponsors and make it happen.
Posted by Nix to Twillie
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2015
17680 posts
Posted on 7/29/21 at 2:02 pm to
quote:

It is important that the SEC play a 4 team pod schedule so the remaining games can be spread around to all foes. You don't get that in a East West scenario. LSU would rarely play Eastern foes in the SEC


All true. BUT....




Posted by BayouPride
Member since Sep 2006
526 posts
Posted on 7/29/21 at 2:16 pm to
quote:

LSU played Kentucky from 1952-2002,


hardly anyone outside of LSU fans has any idea about this. Young LSU fans might not know. Has to be one of those SEC oddities that when it comes trivia time is a stumper
Posted by covtgr
Covington
Member since Aug 2004
1040 posts
Posted on 7/29/21 at 2:17 pm to
quote:

I don't remember playing Tennessee that much in the 60's/70's either.


Twice in 60s and 3 times in 70s.

Not often, but unlike the huge gaps between games against UGA, Vandy, and Auburn
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
7440 posts
Posted on 7/29/21 at 2:29 pm to
quote:


LSU played Kentucky from 1952-2002, yet when the SEC went to the latest permanent cross division rival, LSU got…Florida




LSU had played Florida a whopping 3 fewer times during that stretch.
and the same number of times overall in history (at that time)


people need to quit acting like we just started playing Florida when Spurrier was hired.
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
34538 posts
Posted on 7/29/21 at 2:30 pm to
LSU played Ole Miss, MSU, Bama, and Kentucky every year when I was a kid, and rotated the others.
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
7440 posts
Posted on 7/29/21 at 2:35 pm to
quote:

LSU played Ole Miss, MSU, Bama, and Kentucky every year when I was a kid, and rotated the others.


Since 1953, we’ve played Florida more often than we’ve played Alabama.

Posted by LSU7096
Houston
Member since May 2004
2486 posts
Posted on 7/29/21 at 2:40 pm to
Birmingham protects their inbred cousins in Tuscaloosa
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
34538 posts
Posted on 7/29/21 at 2:43 pm to
Well, in the late 60s and 70s, when I was growing up, we played Ole Miss, Bama and MSU in a row, and Tulane to end the season.
I'm not disputing your numbers, just my memory of those days.
Posted by TigerMond84
Member since Dec 2014
464 posts
Posted on 7/29/21 at 2:48 pm to
No. LSU had Kentucky AND Florida as their permanent teams from the east until they changed it to having just one permanent cross divisional opponent.
Posted by Nexus of the Univers
New York City
Member since Feb 2018
323 posts
Posted on 7/29/21 at 2:54 pm to
I would keep it East and West Divisions with a 9 game Conference schedule. 7 Divisional Opponents and no permanent cross rivals. Rotate two new cross divisional opponents every year in order to play every team on the other side once every 4 yrs and visit their stadiums once every 8 yrs.

East
Alabama
Auburn
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
S. Carolina
Tennessee
Vanderbilt

West
Arkansas
LSU
Missouri
Mississippi State
Oklahoma
Ole Miss
Texas
Texas A&M
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