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re: So let me get this straight
Posted on 2/8/18 at 12:05 pm to lsufball19
Posted on 2/8/18 at 12:05 pm to lsufball19
No. You’re delusional.
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Posted on 2/8/18 at 12:06 pm to 1999
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LSU is a total rebuild. per coach o and derek.
I made the comment that O supporters have been saying this and some yahoo tried to tell me that they haven't been saying that.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 12:06 pm to stephendomalley
It was time for Miles to go. Problem is they replaced him with a failure
Posted on 2/8/18 at 12:07 pm to dukke v
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So 9-4 is terrible???? Did he have s record like that at Ole Miss????
In a historically bad SEC it's nothing to brag about.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 12:09 pm to Goldrush25
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In a historically bad SEC it's nothing to brag about.
but is it better than 0-8 in the conference and 3-21 over three years? No it's nothing to brag about, but he wasn't doing that. he was simply saying he has done a better job than he did at Ole Miss. No that's not a high bar, but people need to stop repeating that as if it's some death blow to an argument. It's actually a very simple minded argument to make.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 12:12 pm to lsufball19
I disagree that Les let it fall apart. Les let it stagnate but he didn't leave behind a broken program. The cupboard was anything but bare for Orgeron.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 12:16 pm to Goldrush25
It's easy to say after the season was over.....
Posted on 2/8/18 at 12:17 pm to dukke v
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It's easy to say after the season was over
That doesn't make it any less true
Posted on 2/8/18 at 12:18 pm to dukke v
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So 9-4 is terrible???? Did he have s record like that at Ole Miss????
No, but the Ole Miss team he took over wasn’t as talented as LSU was whe he took over here. You have to give the players and previous regime some of the credit for the 9 wins.
This post was edited on 2/8/18 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 2/8/18 at 12:21 pm to The Pirate King
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LSU is in a minor rebuild mode. The lines/linebackers were in disrepair, players weren’t correctly developed on offense, etc. There’s a lot of work to be done.
The fricking athletic director of LSU sports announced to the entire fricking fan base and alumni channel when he hired Orgeron that he was going to compete for championships quickly and that this was not a rebuild. That is what O promised Alleva and that is what Alleva promised the fan base.
Both are straight up fricking liars and deserve to be canned.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 12:21 pm to MountainTiger
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I disagree that Les let it fall apart. Les let it stagnate but he didn't leave behind a broken program
Les left the OL and DL is disarray and no answers at the QB position. Those are the two main reasons we have not been better than we have. QB may or may not be better next year, but we at least have highly rated prospects competing for the position. And O addressed our needs on the lines in the recruiting class this year. Les had gotten progressively worse each year since 2011. He didn't completely break it (but neither has O to this point), but he definitely got the ball rolling in the wrong direction. He got fired for that reason
This post was edited on 2/8/18 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 2/8/18 at 12:22 pm to Magician2
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when he hired Orgeron that he was going to compete for championships quickly and that this was not a rebuild
did you take the word "quickly" to mean in year 1?
Posted on 2/8/18 at 12:23 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
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No. You’re delusional.
That I think Hallman was a worse coach than Orgeron? Please explain
Posted on 2/8/18 at 12:23 pm to lsufball19
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did you take the word "quickly" to mean in year 1?
In one of the first two years, yes. He failed year one and all available evidence points to him failing worse in year two. Are his hopes and prayers going to be answered with a miracle in his third season? Hopefully we don't have to find out.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 12:25 pm to Dave England
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In one of the first two years, yes
well, we haven't played year 2 yet so maybe let's see how next year goes
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He failed year one
a 9-4 record is not failing
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all available evidence points to him failing worse in year two
such as?
Posted on 2/8/18 at 12:26 pm to lsufball19
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did you take the word "quickly" to mean in year 1?
no, but coming off a 4 loss season and going into a brutal schedule having to replace every significant contributor on offense, and turning in the worst recruiting class in a decade and a half doesn’t give me a ton of confidence that this is going to happen at all. let alone at a pace i would define as “quickly”
Posted on 2/8/18 at 12:27 pm to lsufball19
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a 9-4 record is not failing
Worst loss to State in series history, loss to Troy, lost bowl game. That is failing.
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such as?
Brutal schedule
SEC opponents hiring better coaches
New quarterback
Loss of offensive contributors
Terrible RB depth
New and uninspiring offensive coordinator
Questionable CB depth
Head coach
Posted on 2/8/18 at 12:27 pm to lsufball19
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You cannot put everything on a first year coach unless it was a situation like Nick Saban who left behind a national title caliber team. Had that been the case this year and we lost 4 games, then yes you could say O broke it. But that wasn't the case
Les left behind plenty enough talent. Tied for 3rd with Georgia with 10 players invited to the NFL combine this year, only behind Bama and Ohio St.
You're also not taking into account that Oregeron lost 4 games in a season with probably the weakest schedule I can remember for LSU. Where 5 SEC opponents fired coaches, the OOC schedule was 4-9 BYU, 3-8 Chattanooga, 4-8 Syracuse, and a loss to Sun Belt team Troy. Coach O got lucky that the schedule was historically soft last year
Posted on 2/8/18 at 12:27 pm to lsufball19
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a 9-4 record is not failing
when the bar is set at “compete for championships” (his own words), yes 9-4 is failing.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 12:28 pm to lsufball19
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That I think Hallman was a worse coach than Orgeron? Please explain
Yes, I’d like to hear that explanation as well
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